What do you think makes the perfect standard

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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby McRipfist » 19 Oct 2016, 21:56

Renomaki wrote:
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*Understands that he isn't the protagonist but rather one of the characters listed below:

1.A blood-stained corpse that the protagonist sees while looking for ammo at the front-lines.
2.A PJ wearing grunt who's only line of dialogue to the protagonist is, "Is that the last Zippo? I'll trade you some AP."
3.A nested marine who's squadmate is close enough to the protagonist that they can hear your comrade telling you your beyond fucked.
4.A wounded marine who's body is rolled by the protagonist as he exits surgery.
5.A bullet-riddled corpse half way on to the bridge during a Iron Bears take-over.
6.A marine that the protagonist sees fall during a retreat back across the river but can't save in time and is dragged off.
7.That gunfire and scream that the protagonist hears as they move through the Xeno-infested Sulaco.
Or one of the many, many, many other minor-characters in the great Epic that is SS13: Colonial Marines.



With that logic, doesn't that mean no one is the protagonist... Or that EVERYONE is the protagonist?

Or that maybe, the title of protagonist just comes and goes. One moment you find yourself in the spotlight, the next, you are just an extra to someone else's story.

Or maybe... this is getting complicated.


We are all the protagonist but only the protagonist sometimes. In short, the moral is don't meta by preserving your character just for the sake of trying to survive until the end of the round.

It's better to die assisting your wounded comrades or holding off xenos rather than living by pushing marines out of the way as you retreat across the river so you can die in the mess hall while making your way to the uncalled Evac shuttles ten minutes later.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby McRipfist » 19 Oct 2016, 22:04

Actually, just don't act like a fuckin' coward and be more willing to die if it means holding some ground or winning in the long run. I swear to God all these cowards would make you think that dyin' in the game is linked to dyin' in real life.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Simo94 » 21 Oct 2016, 10:10

oh heres an extra advice to be the perfect standard, when Feweh is on, DROP THE ROUND!! THAT MARINE MAJOR AINT WORTH IT TRUST ME
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Renomaki » 21 Oct 2016, 15:54

Simo94 wrote:oh heres an extra advice to be the perfect standard, when Feweh is on, DROP THE ROUND!! THAT MARINE MAJOR AINT WORTH IT TRUST ME


Now that is terrible...

Marines don't give up in the face of unwinnable odds, they lose with style. If the xenos are going to win, make them fuckin work for it. That is what a marine should do.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Simo94 » 21 Oct 2016, 20:43

Renomaki wrote:
Simo94 wrote:oh heres an extra advice to be the perfect standard, when Feweh is on, DROP THE ROUND!! THAT MARINE MAJOR AINT WORTH IT TRUST ME


Now that is terrible...

Marines don't give up in the face of unwinnable odds, they lose with style. If the xenos are going to win, make them fuckin work for it. That is what a marine should do.

yea but those are normal marines, we are ''special'' SS13 marines, you know, the kind that go to ''special'' school
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Eenkogneeto » 21 Oct 2016, 20:51

I think that the perfect standard is prepared for a plethora of situations, He should have atleast one tricord injectors and gauze on him, if not an entire medkit of basic first aid supplies (Found in wallvends on the sulaco), he should have spare ammo to give to his squad, he should have spare light and ration it, a blanket of light only lasts half the round, use them tactically. And he should stick to the SL/Spc like glue and support them.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Surrealistik » 22 Oct 2016, 04:46

One that uses my drugs without overdosing because he followed the clear instructions printed on each and every one of them.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Crab_Spider » 28 Oct 2016, 13:49

Renomaki wrote:With that logic, doesn't that mean no one is the protagonist... Or that EVERYONE is the protagonist?

Or that maybe, the title of protagonist just comes and goes. One moment you find yourself in the spotlight, the next, you are just an extra to someone else's story.

Or maybe... this is getting complicated.


Protagonist is a title given to the character whose point of view is taking place in the story, so technically, we're all protagonists since our actions affect the majority of the story.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby lgmmrm » 29 Oct 2016, 08:24

One that doesn't buckshot his own guys in the chest and foot. least of all his squad's recon-kitted spec, who's trying to call shots and keep FF from happening..
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Helgraf » 29 Oct 2016, 20:34

A sensible one.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Crab_Spider » 30 Oct 2016, 21:34

Someone who can understand the situation and use a survivor's mindset. Instead of staying and holding Nexus, they escape Nexus for refuge. Instead of trying to get everyone else to follow their role or do their jobs, they fix it themselves (aka welding a floodlight). When you have to rely on everyone for YOUR survival, independence is something I'd expect to come out of atleast someone.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Monoo » 01 Nov 2016, 20:01

When I'm running SL, these are the big three, ranked in order of importance.

1. Doesn't empty their shotgun slugs into my back GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WHY
2. Doesn't fuck off to do their own thing THE VERY SECOND that the ever so fucking shiny-ass surface of their boot so much as touches the ground at the colony. Listens to my commands and actually sticks around to carry them out and ensure everyone else's wellbeing.
3. Provides the barest form of communication instead of acting like someone that gargled gorilla glue and cotton swabs soaked in antifreeze. Even the faintest "Yes" "No" or "Understood" is preferable to NOT KNOWING IF YOUR SQUAD IS EVEN ALIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL MUTE.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Renomaki » 01 Nov 2016, 22:26

Crab_Spider wrote:Someone who can understand the situation and use a survivor's mindset. Instead of staying and holding Nexus, they escape Nexus for refuge. Instead of trying to get everyone else to follow their role or do their jobs, they fix it themselves (aka welding a floodlight). When you have to rely on everyone for YOUR survival, independence is something I'd expect to come out of atleast someone.


You do realize this is for standards, not squad mates in general, right?

If Standards welded floodlights, that would be metagaming. If they "escape Nexus for refuge" despite having orders to hold their ground, that is disobeying an order. Being able to rely on yourself is useful and all, but when you are in the squad, you have to learn that there is no I in squad.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Stingray » 01 Nov 2016, 23:55

From what I've played I'd say as long as they follow orders, aim for chest, don't use AP, and DON'T push engineers/medics when they're building/treating people, they're a pretty perfect standard. They don't need to be godly robust, they just have to be a team player.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Recounted » 05 Nov 2016, 20:54

-don't take all the ap in the marine vendor
-don't chases anything that runs into the dark
-don't yell when he don't gets his way
-follows orders
-helps marines
-isn't a retard and cover engis and medics if they need it
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Tristan63 » 01 Jan 2017, 15:23

They stick with the SL, don't wander off, consider others above themselfs (Packing specs extra ammo, or bringing flarebags with medical supplies), and not hogging AP. Dont forget listening too.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Houlihan » 08 Jan 2017, 23:57

I don't think following orders make a good standard. As grunt you often sometimes have baldies SL, or just relatively new players derping around doing what they think is right. It translate by useless orders and general retardation. This one guy will order your whole squad to line up in front of him while the FOB is under attack and other squads could use assistance, or this other one will send you to certain death in that one hallway of xenorape called North east caves entrance instead of trying to be smart about it, while this third specimen will have you stand in hydro while the whole hive descend on you because "command told us to hold hydro".

If I had to add something to what's being said, I'd say a good standard know when to follow orders and when to ignore them.
Reading all what you wrote, and don't actually think I'm a good standard, but then, maybe if you lowered your standards a bit i would be. :^)

Personally, my big ones are doesn't use AP for no reason, FF's as little as humanly possible and shakes me up instead of removing the damn hugger and breaking my damn skull, but then again, I don't play SL. Protecting engis/SL/medics and evacing casualties and bodies is also on there.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Karmac » 09 Jan 2017, 03:01

How 2 Perfect Standard:

- Be Ramon McKendrick
- That's it
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Houlihan » 09 Jan 2017, 16:50

High praise that I will never live up to, coming from one the bestest combat engi, but I'll take it nonetheless. :3
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Karmac » 09 Jan 2017, 17:46

Well the main thing to remember is yes you are a grunt meant for following orders, but if you find something better to do than your current orders, such as protecting a Medic, Engie or just helping people move supplies around or dismantle things, go for it, if your squad lead yells at you, tell him what you're doing and if he lets you continue, continue as necessar, otherwise report back to your squad.

To sum it up, you've got orders, but you've also got common sense, as Ramon mentioned in his explanation.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby NescauComToddy » 09 Jan 2017, 18:06

1-Follow Orders.
2-Try to save your fellow Marines,even If you know You will Die or Be captured.
3-Try to not Be baited.[Be Rambo]
4-If you say:Sir [Insert word here]Yes sir!,You will get more 5+ Points In my Standard "Whitelist"
5-Do not FF.
6-Do not freaking CAPSLOCK the entire Chat If some bad thing Is happening or Is going to happen.
7-BE COMPETENT And try to RP!You are a marine!BE One,ACT Like one.Forget that you Are the player,Think like A Marine.Would a Damn marine Rush Unknown Giant Hostiles Bugs?Of course Not!
8-If you Need to hold The FOB,Or,some place Like It,Hold It Until you "Can't Hold" [Until you drop On the ground].Just fallback When your SL Notices If It Is time to Run,When the Hope Is lost.
9-Stick With your SL and Comrades,Even If you all WILL die.[Already said That]

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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Snypehunter007 » 09 Jan 2017, 18:16

Simply one that follows orders. Nothing more.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Sneakyr » 11 Jan 2017, 22:56

The best standard is a standard that is willing to learn, and most importantly willing to listen. An adaptable and smart standard who can contribute to squad discussion is better than a follows-orders-only standard, though both are much better than those who don't do either.
Note: For clarification on "adaptable", a standard shouldn't be able to replace a medic or engineer.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby Edgelord » 12 Jan 2017, 11:40

1) Follows orders
2) has trigger discipline
3) Is properly kitted

Literally the only things you need to do to be a boon to your team as standard.
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Re: What do you think makes the perfect standard

Postby RedsPro » 24 Feb 2017, 21:31

Perfect Standard dosent run the fuck off and dose as daddy SL Says. Thats all i want...
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