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Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 01:31
by Steelpoint
Why do people take SMGs over a M41A as a Medic?

SMGs are more for Specialists who already have a weapon occupying their armor slot.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 01:37
by SovietKitty
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Quick Clot loaded in the 1st syringe case, Tricord loaded into the second.

Pills are: Double Bic, Kelotane, Dyolvene. Pocket pills are Tramadol for quick access. I don't put much value in inaprovaline.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 02:52
by Ping
Steelpoint wrote:Why do people take SMGs over a M41A as a Medic?


One handedness is a boon for medics: most of the time you're pulling out the SMG when you're being harassed by aliens, and very rarely will you be on the front line. In those cases, its easy enough to pick up a rifle on the ground anyways. It's important to remember that you're a support and NOT a fighter.

A lot of people use gyro M4's and shottys, but I stick to the SMG due to consistency. It's not THAT bad of a weapon, I've managed to solo small threats and harassers without any problems. (The number of Runners I've gotten with my SMG....)

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 07:25
by Ikmalmn
Steelpoint wrote:Why do people take SMGs over a M41A as a Medic?


Personally, I'll take the rifle for most of the time, it is very flexible and it's the greatest weapon for defensive postures like sieges or standoffs (FOB). It's also good for suppressing fire.

SMG's on the other hand are an excellent tool to kill that cucking Hunter or Runner while also carrying the wounded. A good weapon when on a assault or scouting.

But cmon, we all know the flamer is the best weapon for the medic. Area of denial. Forces aliens to retreat when hit. Then you're actually fighting a Ravager and in the matter of seconds, your memed

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 07:32
by Ikmalmn
Also, I feel very so out of the loop after seeing people with similarish loadout. Lots of trauma kits and unprepared pills (unlike mine where I have pills ready and prepared in the belt). In the meanwhile, I need to start practicing making the hypospray a useful thing.

Maybe I'll start making hyposprays with Bicard and Kelo because goddamn are this injuries common and a bitch to heal in the midst of chaos.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 13:52
by Zartam
Bicard and Kelo take a long time to heal a person, so it's better to use the pill form (and your hypospray will be empty quickly). You can use a hypospray with oxycodone to get someone back on feet, or diluted quick-clot to make some room in your livesaver bag so you can bring more dexalin+ or more trauma kits.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 15:35
by Jroinc1
Ikmalmn wrote:Also, I feel very so out of the loop after seeing people with similarish loadout. Lots of trauma kits and unprepared pills (unlike mine where I have pills ready and prepared in the belt). In the meanwhile, I need to start practicing making the hypospray a useful thing.

Maybe I'll start making hyposprays with Bicard and Kelo because goddamn are this injuries common and a bitch to heal in the midst of chaos.

Prepping pills isn't a bad thing, but you should do that AFTER you drop. Replace the prepped pills with autoinjectors, run through ALL of them in the first skirmish, then prep pills.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 17:11
by Jay Burns
https://gyazo.com/dfa33856044f7eeeaf6210a66380c28b - CLB

https://gyazo.com/c7a6d64ae7d212056999443c5721f42c - Satchel

https://gyazo.com/22f1bd1ea35219e47daadfa53fc756e3 - Armour

https://gyazo.com/f99a7e9020b85ef334d417b8211f8d98 - Pockets

https://gyazo.com/2e859bfa33a6a0c41b052100485ef472 - Webbing, normally containing (depending on CMO/CO/Medbay) Peri, Keloderm and extra dosage bicard.

I use either a shotgun with a mag harness or a M4A1 with grip and mag.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 18:07
by Casany
Jay Burns wrote:https://gyazo.com/dfa33856044f7eeeaf6210a66380c28b - CLB

https://gyazo.com/c7a6d64ae7d212056999443c5721f42c - Satchel

https://gyazo.com/22f1bd1ea35219e47daadfa53fc756e3 - Armour

https://gyazo.com/f99a7e9020b85ef334d417b8211f8d98 - Pockets

https://gyazo.com/2e859bfa33a6a0c41b052100485ef472 - Webbing, normally containing (depending on CMO/CO/Medbay) Peri, Keloderm and extra dosage bicard.

I use either a shotgun with a mag harness or a M4A1 with grip and mag.

With the backpack, you can conserve space by emptying out a regular medkit and filling it with pill bottles. It allows for more ammo storage and is great when you think that you don't have enough ammo

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 18:23
by DrPng
This may sound unorganized, but I usually ditch guns and just take tons of random medical supplies.
But...I take enough to where I can treat a wide variety of injuries.

For example - Life Saver Bag, Bic, Kelotane, Dexalin +, Tramadol, Antitoxins and tons of trauma kits + burn kits. I also fill up on extra quick clot injectors, since I do usually run out of those.
And for the medical bag, I grab around three full medkits of supplies, each for treating various things and stuff them in the backpack. That way, I have extra space along with tons of med supplies.
I also like to keep bic and trauma kits in my pockets since I usually end up treating trauma damage the most. If I can get my hands on some pera, i'll take that to.

As for utility supplies, such as stasis bags, defibs, health analyzers and roller beds, I just shove those in my backpack. I usually take around 2-3 analyzers because i end up losing a few of them through the round for whatever reason.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 18:45
by Andkert
Where do you keep those analyzers?

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 18:55
by DrPng
Various places, usually one in my chest slot, one in my backpack and if i have a space in my pocket, i shove one there.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 18 May 2017, 19:43
by CraayyZ
Steelpoint wrote:Why do people take SMGs over a M41A as a Medic?


I would say it's based more on preference. With the new pull mechanic update. You always gotta have 1 hand free in order to PULL/GRAB somebody, SMG benefits from the 1 handed aspect vs unequipping the M41a & dragging a wounded back. Secondly, You can defend yourself with a SMG even while working on someone. Sure it might not be AS EFFECTIVE but some protection is better than the no protection, but decent damage output of the M41. Medics always seem to get ambushed when they're working on someone so self defense is always a +. Thirdly, it prevents you from going full rambo medic mode and pushing up on the frontline and essentially being the Pointman, WHICH YOU SHOULD NOT BE! and lastly, which for me atleast, is if you do have to fire and accidentally hit a fellow Marine. The damage they take won't be as high than if they were hit by a M41a round. Always nice in case you have a bald moment. Also a SMG is great for Supports (Which it's designed for) Being able to pop huggers from afar, reliably and quickly is always good as well.

Gotta remember that deflection is no longer a thing, which makes the SMG a really good choice again, especially for Medics!

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 02:51
by Ikmalmn
I've been using the QC hypospray combo with inaprov and by god...It's too good.

The free space...

No fumbling...

Doesn't eat up QC injectors for other medics...


BLISS

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 11:18
by Swagile
Ikmalmn wrote:I've been using the QC hypospray combo with inaprov and by god...It's too good.

The free space...

No fumbling...

Doesn't eat up QC injectors for other medics...


BLISS


How much do you have to dilute QC until the one stab of 5u from a hypospray doesn't insta kill whoever your stabbing?

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 11:40
by Ikmalmn
Swagile wrote:How much do you have to dilute QC until the one stab of 5u from a hypospray doesn't insta kill whoever your stabbing?


I followed Ping's ratio of 2:1 Inaprovaline and Quick Clot. So it should give me 3 Inaprov and 2 QC.

I brought in 2 hyposprays, one for active use and one for a spare. So I effectively have 12 QC for just 2 spaces.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 11:46
by Swagile
Ikmalmn wrote:I followed Ping's ratio of 2:1 Inaprovaline and Quick Clot. So it should give me 3 Inaprov and 2 QC.

I brought in 2 hyposprays, one for active use and one for a spare. So I effectively have 12 QC for just 2 spaces.


Thats 8 QC injectors right there, neat.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 12:42
by CraayyZ
Ikmalmn wrote:I followed Ping's ratio of 2:1 Inaprovaline and Quick Clot. So it should give me 3 Inaprov and 2 QC.


Can you explain in depth how to dilute Inapprovaline & Quick clot together into 1 hypospray? This method sounds amazing. I wouldn't have to carry 5+ quick clots in my lifesaver bag when I can have 2 hyposprays, ready to go, on my Armor storage. Allowing me to take 3 more spare supplies than I'd normally be able to carry! If you could explain the process. I'd really appreciate it!

Only problem I can really see is if you do lag and you click on someone, injecting them, but then you don't notice the Chat log saying/or LAG "YOU INJECTED 3u INTO BALDIE!" You could possibly OD them. Quick clot auto injectors are more fool proof, whereas the Hypospray filled with it is more practical.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 13:43
by Ikmalmn
CraayyZ wrote:Can you explain in depth how to dilute Inapprovaline & Quick clot together into 1 hypospray?.


Easy, use a syringe, draw some QC and Inaprov and inject it into the hypospray.

Also, some hyposprays are already loaded with 15u of tricord, so get rid of it (This happens when you vend one from medical). There's a few empty ones on the table by South entrance of medical.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 13:58
by CraayyZ
Ikmalmn wrote:Easy, use a syringe, draw some QC and Inaprov and inject it into the hypospray.

Also, some hyposprays are already loaded with 15u of tricord, so get rid of it (This happens when you vend one from medical). There's a few empty ones on the table by South entrance of medical.


So take 1 quick clot auto-injector, and a bottle of inapprovaline. Syringe the Quick clot so it's "spent" and then fill the rest of the Syringe with Inapprovaline before sticking it into the Hypospray? 1 injector of Clot = 3u, 5u = OD/immediate death.

Can you set how much the hypospray injects or do you just dilute it enough so it stays under 5u? (I'm pretty sure by default the hypospray injects 5u) So by default it'll inject 2-3u of Inapprovaline and the rest will be clot? Wanna make sure before I go test this method & accidently OD a whole squad. K E K

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 14:07
by Ikmalmn
At the moment, I use 3 QC = 9u
Then I use 2 Inaprov Injectors or a bottle = 20u
For the 1u left, I put a Dex+ in it for funs.

The default is 5u per hypospray injection, it cannot be tinkered with. The hypospray should be diluted enough such that it won't OD someone even when you inject someone twice (somehow).

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 14:23
by Ping
Ok, I'll go in depth into the hypospray, and I'll hopefully answer any questions people have about it here.

What is it?: A hypospray can be found in medical; it's sort of like a syringe with a capacity of 30u, with the ability to instantly inject patients. It can be filled with any chemicals, and always injects patients with 5u. Since QC takes up a lot of space and is fairly inefficient, people wanted to put QC into a quick clot injector for ages, but couldn't because hypos inject 5u into a patient by default, which is the overdose rate. So, someone came up with the idea to dilute the QC with another drug (in this case inaprov). That way, less QC is being injected into the patient, because it's being diluted by the inaprov.

How do I make it?: This is my method of making a 2:1 Inaprov:QC hypo. I was recently introduced to a better method that I will share once I test it out myself.

1. Get a hypospray, either from the table in the south medical lobby or by asking the doctors nicely in your nice german accent.

2. Get a syringe case filled with a syringe, an inaprov bottle, and another syringe (from a spare syringe case). Get rid of the spaceacillin.

3. Go to a marinevend and drain 5 QC injectors of their liquid. Restock the QC injectors afterwards. When you're done, you should have 15u of QC in the syringe. Inject 10u of the syringe into the hypo.

4. Refill your QC syringe until it's full, then use your second syringe to fill up the hypo with 20u of inaprov. Keep the QC syringe, inaprov bottle, and empty syringe in your syringe case.

Tada, you now have 6 uses of QC in your hypo. With the syringe case, you can refill it 1 and a half times, bringing up the grand total to 15. Be sure to ONLY refill the hypo when it's empty, else you might end up fucking with the ratio. Again, there are better ways to do this that I'm testing.

How much QC is injected into the patient/WILL I ACCIDENTALLY OVERDOSE THEM!: NOPE, YOU WON'T! When injected, the units come out in decimals that round down. In total, 1u of QC and 2u of Inaprov will enter the bloodstream. This means two things.

Firstly, you will need to inject someone 4 times in order to OD them. Secondly, this makes dealing with the classic "two qc injects" dilemma easy as hell to solve. If one person uses a hypo, and one uses an injector, the patient will overdose on 4u instead of 6u of QC. It DOES make a difference, and I have saved patients from QC ODs because of the lower overdose.

That should about cover it. Happy medicing!

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 15:36
by Challenger
So I came up with the original QC hypo as Ilan Ramon (now Ilan Rahal 'cause name rule - Ilan Ramon is a really nice name, but unfortunately also the name of an astronaut) and uh, it seems I forgot to tell anyone you can directly fill hyposprays with bottles.

Here's my process. Take a regular first aid kit's syringe case. Dump out the spaceacillin bottle's contents. Vend five QCs, draw with a syringe, inject into the spaceacillin bottle, restock. Repeat once again until your spaceacillin bottle has 30u QC. Then apply your QC bottle to your hypo ONCE to give it 10u QC, and your inaprov bottle to your hypo TWICE to give it 20u Inaprov. It's now full with a 2:1 ratio of Inaprov to QC. It injects five units at a time so it injects 3.3 Inaprov, 1.6 QC. I don't think reagent numbers are rounded down in practice, they're probably only like that for displaying on the health analyzer.

But anyway, there's more.

Your inaprov bottle now has 40u out of 60u capacity in it, and your QC bottle has 20u out of 60u capacity in it. Dump the QC bottle into the inaprov bottle, you now have a full bottle of 2:1 Inaprov to QC, so no juggling bottles needed and no risk of accidentally overfilling with one bottle. And here's the best part, right click the bottle -> set tranfer amount -> anything above 30 and now you can refill your hypo in one click with it.

I then put the hypo into my armor and the syringe case alongside it, and use the empty 60u spaceacillin bottle to store blood, it'll store 10% worth.

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 23:15
by CraayyZ
Challenger wrote:Here's my process. Take a regular first aid kit's syringe case. Dump out the spaceacillin bottle's contents. Vend five QCs, draw with a syringe, inject into the spaceacillin bottle, restock. Repeat once again until your spaceacillin bottle has 30u QC. Then apply your QC bottle to your hypo ONCE to give it 10u QC, and your inaprov bottle to your hypo TWICE to give it 20u Inaprov. It's now full with a 2:1 ratio of Inaprov to QC. It injects five units at a time so it injects 3.3 Inaprov, 1.6 QC.

But anyway, there's more.

Your inaprov bottle now has 40u out of 60u capacity in it, and your QC bottle has 20u out of 60u capacity in it. Dump the QC bottle into the inaprov bottle, you now have a full bottle of 2:1 Inaprov to QC, so no juggling bottles needed and no risk of accidentally overfilling with one bottle. And here's the best part, right click the bottle -> set tranfer amount -> anything above 30 and now you can refill your hypo in one click with it.

I then put the hypo into my armor and the syringe case alongside it, and use the empty 60u spaceacillin bottle to store blood, it'll store 10% worth.


This is by far, the most interesting and useful thing I've read by far. Can't wait to try and test it on myself (I'd rather accidentally OD myself ((if I do bald)) than a fellow Marine)

How many quick clots injectors is this mixture equivalent to? I'm gonna have to re-organize my entire Medical loadout now just to mash this beautiful thing into the setup.

Amazing what a group of people dedicated to one job on a server, can come together, share and accomplish. Best Medical thread NA, I r8 8/8 m8 (:

Re: Post a screenshot of YOUR medic loadout

Posted: 19 May 2017, 23:22
by Ikmalmn
It's the equivalent of 6 QC auto-injectors for the price of one inventory slot.