That round was too much

Having less gear than a CLF ERT and killing 3 benos as clone sigma was fun

rjrazon90 wrote: posted a new topic: Why is this game not being developed to be played outside byond in General Discussion

Oh, you sweet summer child.

For the same reason ss13 clones fail

the curse

And also replicating over a decade of development by tons of people is hard, but mostly the curse!

The dubious curse

And inthe end the project falls apart because they lost half the playerbase in the transition

SS13 is becoming more of an engine than a game tbh, with things like CM and FTL13, Halostation etc that's becoming more and more apparent

There is even thing as simple as - With every engine/balance/change_at_all (talking about F2P games alltogether) part of playerbase is pissed off because MUH FAV PART IS GONE/REDONE/DIFFERENT. Also, everyone always underestimates the power of habit.

I disagree there. Ss13 is always gonna be game, not an engine

@El Defaultio Maybe. Maybe not. Byond is platform, SS13 seems to be subplatform // At least for time beeing.

The problem is you can't deviate from the original gameplay without hamfisting code in. CM is just a barebones Bay server, with everything stripped off and put to combat mechanics. Halo station is just bay with halo sprites and guns, and FTL is just tg but there's no traitors and off screen interactions

How many completely different overhauls have to be made to start calling something an engine, or platform. SS13 seems to be a base that people take and do what they want to with it, just like a game engine

Really isn't that many overhauls, fella

Not really my point, question was how many overhauls to any game would there need to be before it starts to blur the line between game and engine. Something like minecraft could be an example where it's a game in its own right but people took the base to make their own "games" like battle royale, RPGs, etc

@Wubs4Scrubs Ask ten people, get eleven answers. And that is the main stepping stone of this whole conversation. Everyone has opinion about that. I can give you fun outside comparision i heard once, and, at the time it boiled my blood, but now i kind of understand.

Isnt a engine specfically what powers said game?

The engine in this case would be byond as it handles the networking and some of the graphical stuff.