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Some Recent Concerns

Post by apophis775 » 13 Oct 2017, 03:26

Recently, some concerns (in the form of logs) have been brought to the Headstaff about potential abuse by Feweh. We (Myself, Rahl, and BMC) have analyzed and examined all of these accusations at great length and done our best to add context to them (as the context was unclear). After going through all of the accusations and having the Headstaff interview Feweh directly on the matter, we've determined that of all the incidents proposed, only a very few showed any potential for abuse within the context of the situation outside of the normally allowable margin for admins. However, on CM we allow our admins a bit more freedom to influence the rounds at their discretion for the benefit of the players. Additionally, those few that did show potential for abuse, did not seem to be done maliciously and looked more like they were situations that got out of control in the heat of the moment. Considering the amount of time Feweh spends on the server, it goes to say that there may be occasional mistakes. After much discussion with Feweh, we (Myself, Rahl, and BMC) decided that both him and us will be much more vigilante in the future to prevent anything like this from happening again.

Additionally, another situation has been brought to our attention. Damning evidence has been presented to us that ElDefaulto was attempting to organize information and logs to blackmail the Headstaff to concede to demands he would propose using his own private discord. This is not acceptable behavior within the community, especially by staff and we are going to be banning him from the Forums and Discord. We take situations like this very seriously, and we try to limit when we remove someone from the community in this fashion, but in this case the Headstaff believe that it is a necessity. Our Headstaff and CM in general does not give into demands under the pretense of blackmail or attempting to force the will of others onto us.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Feweh » 13 Oct 2017, 03:56

Generally I don't take things very seriously as most of you know, but I'll do my best to make this as clear and honest for everyone.

Recently theres been an internal staff complaint lodged against me for abusing my powers in-game. While the way the individual(s) handled this on their own is questionable, it does not leave their complaints and issues without merit.

I want the community to understand that ALL the events and additions I add to the game are done with the best intentions and not for any selfish desires. However there are times where I have personally become too involved in these events and skated a line of acceptance.

For this I apologize, it's never been my intention to personally ruin or degrades someone game-play for my own benefit.

Its my hope that most of you do see that generally my actions in-game are not done for myself, but for the fun of yourself and others.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Kavlo » 13 Oct 2017, 04:08

Feweh abused my admin logs by not using build mode and instead using fix breach for making events.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by El Defaultio » 13 Oct 2017, 06:20

1. I don't think I'm actually forum banned

2. It never was my intention to blackmail, and I didn't use my own discord to attempt to blackmail (only thing I used was DMs to talk to people since slack wasn't much of an options), but I admit I can see the problem.

All I can say is all that happened, happened.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Nubs » 13 Oct 2017, 09:14

What the heck is all this? God how i hate silly drama. Keep on truckin' Feweh
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Boltersam » 13 Oct 2017, 11:13

I can personally attest that whenever I've seen Feweh host an event or interact with the round using the powers given to him, both behind scenes and in front, that he's never done anything without the express purpose of making the round more interesting. It's always about the bigger picture, and while a few people might get the wrong end of it, the vast, vast majority will always have a great time with it.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Jroinc1 » 13 Oct 2017, 13:11

I don't really like Feweh, and I think he's can be an asshole in most interaction on the forums, but I've never seen him abuse his powers, and I don't think he would. I'd handle things differently than him, personally, but his way works.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by shyshadow » 13 Oct 2017, 13:33

I don't get it, what exactly was he accused of doing? I haven't actually seen him be involved with anything recently. (Event Wise)
Anyway, keep making events Feweh. We all appreciate your work for the community.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Butlerblock » 13 Oct 2017, 14:33

I'm going to 100% assume here with my knowledge of most serious administrating communities, that they won't disclose probably most stuff of what happened. So don't expect much.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by apophis775 » 13 Oct 2017, 15:07

As far as what happened:

We were sent a document with a bunch of logs, dates, and times of supposed incidents of admin abuse. We analyzed them and did not find anything abusive in most of them. There were 2 specific incidents that we were slightly concerned about, however 1 of them showed him immediately recognizing he had gone a bit overboard and did his best to fix the situation at the time, and the other one was leaning into "the line" a little hard, but nothing that seemed intentionally malicious or for his own specific gain.


As far as the Eldefaultio thing, I will have more on that later today, but we were provided with very damming and concrete evidence by people who were in the discord that did not agree with the direction he was planning to go with what he was gathering.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Winter » 13 Oct 2017, 18:37

I'd like people to know that while I think Feweh is a bit harsh sometimes, I would never want them to go away or stop doing events.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Heckenshutze » 13 Oct 2017, 19:02

This is like High School all over again.

The drama, the cool guy who likes to bully, the shady folk blackmailin' people with dark gossips..

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Mook476 » 13 Oct 2017, 19:08

Well now this is an interesting situation.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Deanthelis » 13 Oct 2017, 20:02

Feweh 'Abuse' is a meme. Observe, some tasty ones I have crafted for the benefit of the masses.

I wish I could embed them, but the BBCode tag is disabled in this subforum. Shame on whoever abused it and got it taken away.

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These are entirely out of context and are juxtaposed for comedic effect. They're also what I imagine the dossier of 'abuse' claims against him looked like.

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The most common complaints and accusations I've personally seen (or made, while salty; I am not perfect, everyone has a little sodiums in 'em) are probably the following:
-Spawning UPP, CLF, or other hostile ERTs, and then leaving, with the intention of ruining everything for some reason.
-Spawning larvae in maintenance on the Almayer.
-Making himself an Elder Predator so he can kill the Queen and other Xenos with impunity (this one is patently false; Feweh isn't nearly robust enough)
-Admin-healing himself mid-round or even mid-fight repeatedly, or admin-healing his friends or just his favorite marine/xeno for the round, even if they're unrobust and deserve death
-Sending Platoon-size ERTs to "end the round faster" when there are 3 or fewer of one side or another remaining; XRT when Xenos are almost dead, or UPP when either side is nearly dead, generally
-Spawning himself or others with super OP equipment, or in a Test Dummy body (Test Dummies cannot die or break bones/lose limbs; they're used to test damage mechanics)
-Respawning predators, especially during Bad Blood events
-Running Bad Blood events in rounds following those where he is robusted badly and made fun of as a regular Predator
-Muting people individually, or Deadchat in general, when he dies or people complain about an event

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Shitposting aside: If you want the conclusion of 'no abuse done' to be accepted easily, especially by those who feel slighted by Feweh or his actions (in-game, on the forums, or otherwise), I suggest total transparency; take the dossier of 'abuse' claims, case by case, and provide the logs, testimony, etc. that proves them to be unsubstantiated - especially the 'edge' cases, so you can explain precisely where and how the events were close to, but did not cross, the line that makes it abuse. That way, those events can be used as references, or examples, in future accusations of abuse - in other words, use this opportunity to make clear what your standards are.

Or, don't do any of that, because none of you get paid to do this and you don't owe anybody shit. Food for thought.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Feweh » 13 Oct 2017, 20:09

Deanthelis wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 20:02

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That last one was Scrat505 though and was removed for that.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Rustarus » 13 Oct 2017, 20:11

Feweh wrote:
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Good memes.

That last one was Scrat505 though and was removed for that.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Deanthelis » 13 Oct 2017, 20:12

Feweh wrote:
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Good memes.

That last one was Scrat505 though and was removed for that.
Thanks. I labored for hours over my meme-forge to smith it.

I am aware of that, and that everyone blamed you for it anyway that round is what makes it funny.

I've edited my above post a bit with more information.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by lcass123 » 13 Oct 2017, 21:59

apophis775 wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 15:07
As far as what happened:

We were sent a document with a bunch of logs, dates, and times of supposed incidents of admin abuse. We analyzed them and did not find anything abusive in most of them. There were 2 specific incidents that we were slightly concerned about, however 1 of them showed him immediately recognizing he had gone a bit overboard and did his best to fix the situation at the time, and the other one was leaning into "the line" a little hard, but nothing that seemed intentionally malicious or for his own specific gain.


As far as the Eldefaultio thing, I will have more on that later today, but we were provided with very damming and concrete evidence by people who were in the discord that did not agree with the direction he was planning to go with what he was gathering.
I kind of feel like "leaning into the line" isn't really a reasonable excuse, if a player does this they get warned and if the head of head staff does this it should be more than just a forum post that will likely be ignored by most of the community. I have nothing against feweh but if it's a head staff member doing it it's your job to make sure nothing like this happens again.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Stripetail » 14 Oct 2017, 05:54

I think that for the most part Feweh has only the best intentions with most of the events and things they do during their time on the server. With how often they're on and how many events they often hold, I can easily see the chances to get carried away pile up and up. This being said, I think Feweh does a pretty outstanding job of not crossing that line in most cases, and at the very least tries to rectify what they've done if they do.

It's good to know that this is being taken so seriously though, and shows quite a lot of accountability for the heads. I don't believe Feweh is ever attempting to ruin the fun of players, in fact I've had many experiences where I've seen them do the exact opposite, and save rounds from memery from both sides.

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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by NGGJamie » 14 Oct 2017, 09:26

lcass123 wrote:
13 Oct 2017, 21:59
I kind of feel like "leaning into the line" isn't really a reasonable excuse, if a player does this they get warned and if the head of head staff does this it should be more than just a forum post that will likely be ignored by most of the community. I have nothing against feweh but if it's a head staff member doing it it's your job to make sure nothing like this happens again.
The thing is even when we apply punishments to players, context and intent is half of what determines if you get punished or not. If I look into someone's note history and see that they've been playing without problems for ages and suddenly they break a rule, I'm very liable to just tell them to not continue doing it and save the ban someone with a history might get. Likewise if they're trying to do something good, or do something accidentally within reason, again they won't see as much punishment as someone who is being deliberately malicious.

The same applies here. Feweh is very active and as Apop stated, doesn't cause trouble; and even in the cases where he does they're usually heat of the moment things with good intentions. In reality it is not any different from how we punish any other person in the community.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Nyeshivuu » 14 Oct 2017, 13:01

So what happened?
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by Sir Lordington » 14 Oct 2017, 13:34

Feweh made an event and I died due to it admin aboose reeeeeeeeeee.

Seriously though, I have never seen Feweh ruin something with what I would classify as malicious intent. He does events, and events by their very nature alter the course of the round. Sometimes you die due to them. Sure, sometimes those events may take you out of the round or alter your planned path, but that also adds variety. Not everybody will like admin intervention, ever. Sometimes it benefits you, sometimes it doesn't, but unless it's clearly outright malicious I don't think it's fair to report an admin for trying to shake things up a bit. They're trying to do something cool and different and sometimes it gets out of control and they have to make split second decisions. There is no procedure or guidelines on how to run an event, so it's only fair to give them a bit of leeway for errors when they act. If you die, unwind a bit, let the salt go away and then think wether or not it's really report worthy.

I've been in a few Feweh run events and I think he always did it with best intentions at heart, so as far I'm concerned he deserves at the very least the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: Some Recent Concerns

Post by apophis775 » 14 Oct 2017, 15:41

I'm gonna lock this, before it becomes a bigger thing than it is.
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