Embrace the Suck

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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Forst » 26 Nov 2017, 11:03

If you're gonna bring simple mobs into this, why not have like a blob overmind to control them?
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by TheDonkified » 28 Nov 2017, 20:38

100 xenos vs 20 players. I mean, there wouldn't be that much salt if the round last for less than an hour, but I feel a round longer than an hour where xenos could easily wipe out the marines would be more forced than fun.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Skimmy2 » 28 Nov 2017, 21:25

TheDonkified wrote:
28 Nov 2017, 20:38
100 xenos vs 20 players. I mean, there wouldn't be that much salt if the round last for less than an hour, but I feel a round longer than an hour where xenos could easily wipe out the marines would be more forced than fun.
Make it so xenos cant tackle or stun and im in
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Gnorse » 01 Dec 2017, 06:24

Skimmy2 wrote:
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Make it so xenos cant tackle or stun and im in
BUT MUH TACKLESPAM AND NEUROSPAM.
But seriously, take out the xeno's ability to tackle-spam or neuro-spam and they're done for.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by JMJ_99 » 03 Dec 2017, 06:38

Please make this something every player needs to see

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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Bath Salts Addict » 03 Dec 2017, 07:51

True robustness is not just a measure of how high your bodycount is.

True robustness is a measure of how spectacularly you die, and how memorable you become to others.

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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Heckenshutze » 03 Dec 2017, 23:02

Bath Salts Addict wrote:
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True robustness is not just a measure of how high your bodycount is.

True robustness is a measure of how spectacularly you die, and how memorable you become to others.
If I die in an amazing way every round doesn't make me "robust"


Just fun to watch.

Either way, remember this: ROBUST PEOPLE DOESN'T PLAY CM13
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Vispain » 04 Jan 2018, 17:30

Bath Salts Addict wrote:
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True robustness is not just a measure of how high your bodycount is.

True robustness is a measure of how spectacularly you die, and how memorable you become to others.
This is what it a "Good Death" is. It's also why marines either lose or win fast. The "robust" ones are the first ones in the breach and keep fighting to their last standing moment.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Plaguewalker » 14 Feb 2018, 03:33

Tackle spam is just the succ reaching max levels and then some.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Monoo » 17 Feb 2018, 19:23

Regarding the "the aim of the game is a marine loss w/ good storytelling along the way" stance by the staff:

I used to be okay with this. But after three years on this server, the more I've come to realize how boring and unfulfilling it is. Why waste thirty to forty minutes of my time gearing up and getting to know my squad, just so I can end up bleeding out in some dark, alien-infested corner, every. single. game? Sure, it makes for good storytelling or whatever. But it creates a sense of sameness that's overwhelmingly stale and boring.

One of the major elements of fun in vanilla SS13 is the air of the unknown that surrounds the beginning of the round: what kind of horror are we fighting today? Can we win? Will I survive, and get kickass new stuff along the way, or go out with a bang? A whimper?

On CM, it's more like: Okay, great, I'm an engineer. Better go sort my exhaustingly complex loadout for ten minutes, see if anyone I know and can meme with is in my squad. Oh, cool, there's Bob. Alright, it's been thirty minutes of sitting around, finally we're getting somewhere.

Then it goes either one of two ways:
1. "Well, I got FFed in the back/slashed once by a runner. I'll try to follow my squad as they run in panic from the - shocker - already overwhelmingly powerful xenos, and bleed out on the ground."
2. "Huh, I actually managed to survive until evac. Time to run back to the Almayer, wait thirty more excruciating minutes, and then die when the xenos get here."

No storytelling, just blandness. Once you get over the "oohs" and "aahs" of the impressive artstyle and code it gets old really fast.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by CaptainYankee » 17 Feb 2018, 20:44

My ideal round would be keeping as much of my squad alive for as long as possible with numerous close shaves and clutch plays. Then nearish to the end of the round the remnants band together in a major effort against the xenos and either succeed at a high cost or die gloriously and enjoy eachothers company in deadchat.

I want to medevac my SL with seconds to spare, or pull my favorite pfc just out of the way of that crusher. I want to have time in between the small tragedies of war and feel real loss when a valued member of the team goes down. And I want also to be there on the ground when the smartgunner triumphantly returns to tge front lines with a shiny new arm.

It seems to me that marine players are forced to choose between rp and winning. Xenos don't really have that choice. The only way for xenos to have satisfying rounds us slaughtering marines, that in and of itself is totally fine. But it encourages xenos meta and powergaming while marines are heavily watched for similar tactics.

To address the OP. I don't care about winning, exploiting bugs, or even surviving. But i do care about marines being able to put up a good fight despite the overwhelming advantages xenos have. I will get mad if I, my squad, and another squad all die within minutes of the round starting. I will likewise get mad if we stumble upon an unprepared hive only to have our assets mysteriously disappear and enemy numbers suddenly and magically swell.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Heckenshutze » 17 Feb 2018, 21:19

Honestly, the thing what keeps me playing is my own Ego.

I've always considered myself a damn robust spaceman and I'm willing to prove it everytime they push a nerf throu my ass. So yeah, I don't care as long I keep getting kills and damn right I'm still able to wreck xeno scum
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Scrubakistan » 19 Feb 2018, 00:51

Monoo wrote:
17 Feb 2018, 19:23
Regarding the "the aim of the game is a marine loss w/ good storytelling along the way" stance by the staff:

I used to be okay with this. But after three years on this server, the more I've come to realize how boring and unfulfilling it is. Why waste thirty to forty minutes of my time gearing up and getting to know my squad, just so I can end up bleeding out in some dark, alien-infested corner, every. single. game? Sure, it makes for good storytelling or whatever. But it creates a sense of sameness that's overwhelmingly stale and boring.

One of the major elements of fun in vanilla SS13 is the air of the unknown that surrounds the beginning of the round: what kind of horror are we fighting today? Can we win? Will I survive, and get kickass new stuff along the way, or go out with a bang? A whimper?

On CM, it's more like: Okay, great, I'm an engineer. Better go sort my exhaustingly complex loadout for ten minutes, see if anyone I know and can meme with is in my squad. Oh, cool, there's Bob. Alright, it's been thirty minutes of sitting around, finally we're getting somewhere.

Then it goes either one of two ways:
1. "Well, I got FFed in the back/slashed once by a runner. I'll try to follow my squad as they run in panic from the - shocker - already overwhelmingly powerful xenos, and bleed out on the ground."
2. "Huh, I actually managed to survive until evac. Time to run back to the Almayer, wait thirty more excruciating minutes, and then die when the xenos get here."

No storytelling, just blandness. Once you get over the "oohs" and "aahs" of the impressive artstyle and code it gets old really fast.
This is why I play Xeno, nothing more satisfying than ancient spitting marine after marine and watching them falter. Get shot? No biggie, just hang back a bit and heal up. Marines are basically made to be slaughtered, so why play them?
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Swagile » 19 Feb 2018, 04:02

Monoo wrote:
17 Feb 2018, 19:23
Regarding the "the aim of the game is a marine loss w/ good storytelling along the way" stance by the staff:

I used to be okay with this. But after three years on this server, the more I've come to realize how boring and unfulfilling it is. Why waste thirty to forty minutes of my time gearing up and getting to know my squad, just so I can end up bleeding out in some dark, alien-infested corner, every. single. game? Sure, it makes for good storytelling or whatever. But it creates a sense of sameness that's overwhelmingly stale and boring.

One of the major elements of fun in vanilla SS13 is the air of the unknown that surrounds the beginning of the round: what kind of horror are we fighting today? Can we win? Will I survive, and get kickass new stuff along the way, or go out with a bang? A whimper?

On CM, it's more like: Okay, great, I'm an engineer. Better go sort my exhaustingly complex loadout for ten minutes, see if anyone I know and can meme with is in my squad. Oh, cool, there's Bob. Alright, it's been thirty minutes of sitting around, finally we're getting somewhere.

Then it goes either one of two ways:
1. "Well, I got FFed in the back/slashed once by a runner. I'll try to follow my squad as they run in panic from the - shocker - already overwhelmingly powerful xenos, and bleed out on the ground."
2. "Huh, I actually managed to survive until evac. Time to run back to the Almayer, wait thirty more excruciating minutes, and then die when the xenos get here."

No storytelling, just blandness. Once you get over the "oohs" and "aahs" of the impressive artstyle and code it gets old really fast.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Plaguewalker » 19 Feb 2018, 06:38

Monoo wrote:
17 Feb 2018, 19:23
Regarding the "the aim of the game is a marine loss w/ good storytelling along the way" stance by the staff:

I used to be okay with this. But after three years on this server, the more I've come to realize how boring and unfulfilling it is. Why waste thirty to forty minutes of my time gearing up and getting to know my squad, just so I can end up bleeding out in some dark, alien-infested corner, every. single. game? Sure, it makes for good storytelling or whatever. But it creates a sense of sameness that's overwhelmingly stale and boring.

One of the major elements of fun in vanilla SS13 is the air of the unknown that surrounds the beginning of the round: what kind of horror are we fighting today? Can we win? Will I survive, and get kickass new stuff along the way, or go out with a bang? A whimper?

On CM, it's more like: Okay, great, I'm an engineer. Better go sort my exhaustingly complex loadout for ten minutes, see if anyone I know and can meme with is in my squad. Oh, cool, there's Bob. Alright, it's been thirty minutes of sitting around, finally we're getting somewhere.

Then it goes either one of two ways:
1. "Well, I got FFed in the back/slashed once by a runner. I'll try to follow my squad as they run in panic from the - shocker - already overwhelmingly powerful xenos, and bleed out on the ground."
2. "Huh, I actually managed to survive until evac. Time to run back to the Almayer, wait thirty more excruciating minutes, and then die when the xenos get here."

No storytelling, just blandness. Once you get over the "oohs" and "aahs" of the impressive artstyle and code it gets old really fast.
This kinda sums up a normal run for marines, it's usually 5 minutes of gearing up followed by 10 minutes waiting behind those already geared up. THen another 5 on briefing, dropped in. Do objective etc etc, die or last till final stand then that's it. Sometimes aliens will draw the round out on purpose to make sure there's no real chance of a marine pullback. Hell I've seen some aliens that just sit at the LZ1 and just camp.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Cobraman202 » 19 Feb 2018, 09:02

This made my character have a crisis of self. Excellent work!
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Slywater » 24 Feb 2018, 08:38

I get the impression that "I am not the main character", by being left to slowly bleed out after receiving a deadly dose of friendly fire. CM is great at showing you how meaningless you are, and that another baldie is always ready to take your place. I too accept that one must embrace the suck.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Heckenshutze » 20 Mar 2018, 15:37

Due to recent changes in our gameplay, should we make an Embrace the Suck thread for xenos? because I've seen some good bug stomping lately.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Mvp777 » 21 Mar 2018, 07:15

I learned to become the suck when i got captured by a mature runner alone, lost my gun and BOTH of my raider knives to the little bugger before getting facehugged.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by x31stOverlord » 21 Mar 2018, 07:48

The rule of thumb is:

You play CM. You embrace the suck.

I suck. You suck. We all suck.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Dolth » 21 Mar 2018, 08:42

Slywater wrote:
24 Feb 2018, 08:38
I get the impression that "I am not the main character", by being left to slowly bleed out after receiving a deadly dose of friendly fire. CM is great at showing you how meaningless you are, and that another baldie is always ready to take your place. I too accept that one must embrace the suck.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Gnorse » 21 Mar 2018, 09:12

That's the thing. If you, as a marine, are even SLIGHTLY known as being robust, expect all xeno bois to meta-target you even if you're a PFC and the lad next to you is a specialist.
On that note, at least you get healed up/revved more often by medics.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by ColdSuit » 22 Mar 2018, 02:03

Yeah, being well known seems to be a double edged sword.
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Re: Embrace the Suck

Post by Dolth » 22 Mar 2018, 02:32

They added a grey mask so everyone had the same shape and was named Unknown once... That was good. If only the shape could be easier to spot (not fuzzy grey) that would be insanely great. No more metagaming.
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