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Post by Doktor710 » 10 Jul 2017, 15:12

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Sergey Vorobyev

Age:
16

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Man

Timezone:
GMT + 3

On average, how many hours are you available per week to moderate?
~20 hr

Do you have any previous experience in being staff (not just SS13)?
I was moderator at one of the Russian servers (Animus Blue Shift)

Did you play any of the previous Colonial Marine servers?
No

What are the 3 biggest servers you play on besides CM?
Animus Blue Shift, No Man's Land: World War II, that's all

Provide links to any previous Colonial Marines applications that you've made:
http://colonial-marines.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=13799 (I know, it's bad)

Are you currently a staff member elsewhere (not just SS13)? If so, where?
No, I am not staff member anywhere currently.

Have you ever been banned for more than 24 hours on Colonial Marines?
No.

Have you ever been banned for more than 24 hours on ANY server? If so, which server, when, and what for?
I was banned at Animus Blue Shift for killing someone accidentally.

Are you familiar with the chat program Slack (its use is required)?
No, but I will try it.

Common Staff Situations:
Write a description of what you would do in each of the following situations. Do not write on the same line as the situation - use the space below it or make space as needed. Failure to do this proves your inability to follow instructions and your application will be automatically denied.

1. A player randomly shoots someone at round start and MPs have detained him.
Ask him why he did it, if he got a good reason it's IC situation, if he's not answering to me or he left the game probably it's just a troll and he should be banned.

2. The ship has a breach to space and a bunch of players have died or are dying as a result.
Figure out if someone did it specially, if yes, same as 1st situation, if no, help Marines and help to repair it (If engineers can't fix it by themselves)

3. You see a player walking around the ship naked and clearly lost.
Ask him if he's playing the first time, tell him what to do and show him where preparation is, then give him this link wiki/Marine_Quickstart_Guide and this link wiki/File:USS_Almayer.png

4. A player is being very rude to you in Adminhelps and requesting to speak to an Admin+ staff member.
Ignore the rudeness, try to calm him down, ask what happened, if I can't solve the problem by myself I will call Admin+

5. You notice a player with a name that doesn't fit our naming rules. The player is arguing that: They've used the name for several years, no one has told them to change it before, and that they didn't know it was a rule.
Tell him to change it, warn him, that using such name is not allowed. If he's refusing to change it - ban him.

6. You see a Maintenance Tech running around in armor and carrying a rifle. The security level is green with no threat present.
Look if someone complaints about him, if I will get a complaint I will ask him why he's doing that and then tell him to drop it if he got a bad reason. If he's refusing to - ban him. Without a complaint MPs still should arrest him.

7. You see a Squad Medic performing surgery on the planet. He claims it was because there were no doctors in the FOB.
Tell him that only doctors can do surgery and everyone who needs surgery need to be sent to the ship.

8. The round is stagnating. There are 30 marines and 4 aliens. The marines won't leave the ship, and the aliens won't attack. What would you do, to "encourage" the sides to engage each other?
I will use Announcement to aliens presenting myself as a Mother Queen and telling them that there is a metal hive up there and they should use the metal bird at LZ1 to fly there and capture tallhosts.

9. The round ends, a MARINE starts shooting a hostile IRON BEAR and the IRON BEAR Adminhelps complaining he was killed after the round ended.
Tell him that after the round everyone continues roleplaying and hostiles still should be killed, also, if you died after the round ended you still won, right?

10. A marine is running around disarming, punching and stealing gear at round start.
If MPs can deal with that - let them, if he's starting to shoot/saying memes/breaking another rule warn him/ban depending on rule.

11. A marine has killed another marine. When you ask him why, he said it was because the other marine had punched him.
That's a bad reason for killing a marine and breaks General Rule 7, he should be banned for griefing.

12. An issue arises that requires Admin+ abilities.
Call Admin+ using discord/slack and try to do everything I can to keep the problem under control.

13. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and RPing but one player gets offended and Adminhelps about it.
Tell him "Look, at this 9 people, they are laughing, RPing, you shouldn't be offended by a game, just laugh with them, just play the game"

14. A marine opens fire at round start in briefing killing multiple marines and instantly logs off.
Breaking General rule 7, he should be banned, maybe even permabanned.

15. You see a player playing a xeno larva/chestburster run towards the frontlines and die.
I can't do anything, it's his problem that he died, I can't intervene in the game.

16. You see a xeno memeing, saying AYYLMAO, REEEEEE etc in hivemind chat.
Tell him to stop it and warn him, he's breaking xeno's 1st rule.

17. A xeno player calls the shuttle a "dropship". A different xeno player complains to you that it's metagaming/failRP to call it a "dropship".
"Xeno's language" is translation to English, you can call dropship as a dropship, as a metal bird and etc.

18. A Command staff player at briefing near round-start mentions there are aliens on the planet.
Tell him that marines don't know what happened at the planet and warn him.

19. A Marine kills another Marine on the EVAC Pod to take the last spot and claims it was RP as he was saving himself.
Do nothing, it's IC situation and I can't intervene.

20. You see a fellow staff member give wrong information in an Adminhelp or incorrectly enforcing a rule.
Tell him that about that, give link to a correct information/rule.

20a. You see a fellow staff member abusing his powers in-game.
Record/screenshot if I can and report to a higher staff with a proof.

21. You see a player talking in OOC chat about what he did with your mom last night.
Warn him that he's breaking Rule 1, if he refuses to stop - mute.

Any additional information you'd like to add?
I was forced to do this, help Everything depends on situation, I need to see everything, look if there are complaints, I need to see everything to understand, should I ban, warn, also, I need to investigate, ask what happened, maybe this guy, who killed another guy did it because of IC reason or he was memeing also and I just didn't see it.
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by Kavrick » 10 Jul 2017, 16:06

This needs way way more detail, -1 from me
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Post by Doktor710 » 10 Jul 2017, 16:07

Kavrick wrote:This needs way way more detail, -1 from me
I can give you details, what do you want?
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by Kavrick » 10 Jul 2017, 16:20

Doktor710 wrote:I can give you details, what do you want?
I dont even know where to start, some of your answers are only 5 words long.
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Post by Doktor710 » 10 Jul 2017, 16:24

Kavrick wrote:I dont even know where to start, some of your answers are only 5 words long.
Well, I think I am giving enough information. I can give you details on what you want.
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by slc97 » 10 Jul 2017, 16:42

The problem that Kavrick is talking about is this: When I read an application, I am looking for a detailed look into your critical thinking skills, investigative processes, and how you operate in the hot seat. I can't get that from an answer literally being "His problem". I can sit here and say that you're a good player who has been around for a long time and has no notes, but that doesn't mean anything if your application doesn't tell me anything about how you're going to act as a moderator.

Unless there is a drastic revision to this application, I have to say -1.

Edit: this app has shifted to being up for consideration. I will be monitoring the player in game as well as looking for more staff and community input before I give my final opinion.

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Post by NescauComToddy » 10 Jul 2017, 16:46

First, there have been several times where you have lacked details and justifications in your application. A complete justification is expected for each answer. Prove that you know the rules and demonstrate your knowledge about them.

In several of your responses, you have forgotten that it is absolutely necessary to investigate each case before applying a penalty. Protocols can not be ignored in any way.

Your application, in other words, is totally incomplete, as it is missing information in all your answers. -1
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Post by TheSpoonyCroy » 10 Jul 2017, 17:02

Ok lets go through this but before I go in-depth, I can say there is little detail in the answers you have provided:
  • For question 1, this is one I want you to go indepth in. Imagine you green text saying Player X shot player Y, what do you do from there. Give me a step by step of your process.
  • For question 2, this one varies we do allow some breaches (ones caused by the dropship & predbombs) but besides that its mostly an OOC problem. What time would you give a player for breaching?
  • For question 3, I guess this is fine but seems pretty lackluster, do keep in mind we do have mentors for a reason. So giving them a heads up might be a good idea.
  • For question 4, I guess this is fine but how would you call an Admin+?
  • For question 5, what would you make the note and what if they have repeat offenses for the naming rule?
  • For question 6, as our rules have changed, staff no longer deal with cases like this. This would be more of an IC issue and the MPs should be dealing with this player in particular.
  • For question 7, What if the medic continues working on the marine? How would you think prior notes of a similar nature would affect how you treat this player?
  • For question 8, this is fine.
  • For question 9, this is fine.
  • For question 10, where would you draw the line for this?
  • For question 11, how long would you ban them and can you not think of a better rule to apply for this ban? Griefing is a tad vague here.
  • For question 12, I guess this is fine but refer to my response to question 4
  • For question 13, this is a question that lacks alot of context but do keep in mind this passage of the rules

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      On the other hand, you have some wiggle-room In Character (IC) since tempers can rise between marines for plenty of reasons. But, if you start shouting "NIGGER KIKE FAGGOT" IC, you can expect bad things to happen to you.
    , so where would you see that line?
  • For question 14, how long would you ban the player and what would you do with the marines who were killed?
  • For question 15, no this is not his problem. Players who main a single faction trying to dick over the other faction is pretty poor sportsmanship. With that said I don't imply everyone who dies as a larva is doing this but with your 2 word response it doesn't seem you put much thought into it. Would you investigate it?
  • For question 16, you seem you stopped yourself short on this question...
  • For question 17, this is fine
  • For question 18, and if this player has notes for similar incidents, what would you do then?
  • For question 19, a key part of this job is realizing that you have to think of both of the players' experiences. It might be how I read this question but it seems to not say there is much build up to it, its just a shotgun to the back of the skull and the guy who did it shrugging and saying "I'm Rping to save myself"
  • For question 20, how would you tell them?
  • For question 21, ahhh not really. This is honestly overzealous response to this kind of scenario
Most of this app is technically correct but it doesn't show the process or how you would generally deal with an issue. It just a 1,2, punch thing. It suffers from the lack of detail. You aren't making mention of looking at notes, how you would investigate it, etc. So I can't give a positive rating for something that feels very lacking. I would suggest reading some of the accepted apps and see where they did well in. So for the time being -1

Edit: Ok gave the edits a look still I feel it doesn't go deep enough in the process, which is yes repetitive but that is the point, we have to reliable and following the right steps each time is a good idea. You are correct alot of these cases are dependent on many variables but there are a few things you will always do, which seems hamfisted at the end instead of doing it on each step.
Also I'm taking it that English isn't your first language?
  • For question 6, even if there is a complaint we still let this be an IC issue well until they do something more drastic. You can probably tip off the MPs to deal with the MT.
  • For question 11, that would fall under Marine rule 1 and improper escalation than griefing
  • For question 15, well you can't do anything about the larva but you can affect the player in an OOC manner, which is our main job. If he is throwing away larva pointlessly, he should expect OOC punishment
With that said I'm still very much -1 for this app
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by Rain7x » 10 Jul 2017, 17:11

TheSpoonyCroy wrote:-snip-
Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Part of me thinks you just posted this without reading the accepted ones or really anything else. -1.
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Post by Doktor710 » 10 Jul 2017, 17:50

Added a bit more details
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Post by Doktor710 » 11 Jul 2017, 07:59

TheSpoonyCroy wrote:Ok lets go through this but before I go in-depth, I can say there is little detail in the answers you have provided:
  • For question 1, this is one I want you to go indepth in. Imagine you green text saying Player X shot player Y, what do you do from there. Give me a step by step of your process.
  • For question 2, this one varies we do allow some breaches (ones caused by the dropship & predbombs) but besides that its mostly an OOC problem. What time would you give a player for breaching?
  • For question 3, I guess this is fine but seems pretty lackluster, do keep in mind we do have mentors for a reason. So giving them a heads up might be a good idea.
  • For question 4, I guess this is fine but how would you call an Admin+?
  • For question 5, what would you make the note and what if they have repeat offenses for the naming rule?
  • For question 6, as our rules have changed, staff no longer deal with cases like this. This would be more of an IC issue and the MPs should be dealing with this player in particular.
  • For question 7, What if the medic continues working on the marine? How would you think prior notes of a similar nature would affect how you treat this player?
  • For question 8, this is fine.
  • For question 9, this is fine.
  • For question 10, where would you draw the line for this?
  • For question 11, how long would you ban them and can you not think of a better rule to apply for this ban? Griefing is a tad vague here.
  • For question 12, I guess this is fine but refer to my response to question 4
  • For question 13, this is a question that lacks alot of context but do keep in mind this passage of the rules

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      On the other hand, you have some wiggle-room In Character (IC) since tempers can rise between marines for plenty of reasons. But, if you start shouting "NIGGER KIKE FAGGOT" IC, you can expect bad things to happen to you.
    , so where would you see that line?
  • For question 14, how long would you ban the player and what would you do with the marines who were killed?
  • For question 15, no this is not his problem. Players who main a single faction trying to dick over the other faction is pretty poor sportsmanship. With that said I don't imply everyone who dies as a larva is doing this but with your 2 word response it doesn't seem you put much thought into it. Would you investigate it?
  • For question 16, you seem you stopped yourself short on this question...
  • For question 17, this is fine
  • For question 18, and if this player has notes for similar incidents, what would you do then?
  • For question 19, a key part of this job is realizing that you have to think of both of the players' experiences. It might be how I read this question but it seems to not say there is much build up to it, its just a shotgun to the back of the skull and the guy who did it shrugging and saying "I'm Rping to save myself"
  • For question 20, how would you tell them?
  • For question 21, ahhh not really. This is honestly overzealous response to this kind of scenario
Most of this app is technically correct but it doesn't show the process or how you would generally deal with an issue. It just a 1,2, punch thing. It suffers from the lack of detail. You aren't making mention of looking at notes, how you would investigate it, etc. So I can't give a positive rating for something that feels very lacking. I would suggest reading some of the accepted apps and see where they did well in. So for the time being -1
  • For question 1, first, I will message "Y" player, who was shot and ask him why he was shot and what happened before that, second, I will message "X" player, who shot "Y" player and ask why he did it, third, if "X" shot "Y" just because "Y" accidentally punched him he is breaking General Rule 7 and should be banned for that, if he has good enough reason like he was protecting himself from "Y" who tried to kill him and steal his ID card then I can't intervene and it's IC situation.
  • For question 2, depends on if someone died/how much died, 1 dead - 1440 minutes
  • For question 3, Right, I forgot about mentors.
  • For question 4, using Slack or Discord, I will tell him "<username>, there is a situation I can't solve, can you help me, please?", if he can't come right now I will ask what to do
  • For question 5, I will check his notes and see if he's lying or not, if he's playing good enough, don't have notes and etc. then he may continue playing he will change his name.
  • For question 6, Okay.
  • For question 7, if he continues he should be jobbaned for powergaming. If there are previous reports of powergaming in notes I will jobban him maybe with more time for recidivism, especially if he was jobbaned for this before.
  • For question 8, okay.
  • For question 9, okay.
  • For question 10, until he's not killing people or he's not doing this on the planet during the fight or if it was caused by IC reason it's okay.
  • For Question 11, 1440 minutes, also Marine-specific rule 1, lethal force.
  • For question 12, okay.
  • Forquestion 13, well, if someone would say really really racist joke just to insult someone (like "NIGGER KIKE FAGGOT", yeah) then he should be punished.
  • For question 14, depends on how much marines killed, each death - 1440 mins, revive everyone who died if doctors can't help them by themselves.
  • For question 15, ah, understood. Well, if larva runs to a frontline and dies it may be an accident, but I would watch him if he's just trying to kill larvas, if it's true then he will be punished.
  • For question 16, okay.
  • For question 17, okay.
  • For question 18, punish him, if he was jobbaned/banned for this before or he has notes about metagaming before - more time for recidivism.
  • For question 19, well, if he just came inside and shot him and then saying "I was saving myself" then he's breaking marine-specific rule 1 and maybe general rule 7 (I am not sure about griefing), but maybe if marine who got shot don't care about this I would close my eyes on this.
  • For question 20, I would tell him with proofs that he's wrong (links), if he told someone wrong info I would tell them about that also.
  • For question 21, okay, got it.
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by TheSpoonyCroy » 11 Jul 2017, 14:04

Doktor710 wrote:-snip-
For response 1, " he was protecting himself from "Y" who tried to kill him and steal his ID card then I can't intervene and it's IC situation." If that was the case, Player Y would likely face OOC issues since trying to kill a player for an ID breaks marine rule 1 and 4

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1.  Lethal Force - Do not physically attack any other human without a legitimate, explainable, roleplay reason that could be applied in a similar, real-life scenario. Even if you are justified, you are still susceptible to Marine Law.

4a. Do not take another player's ID card. Because of how IDs work on our server (everything from stopping a turret from killing you, to tracking your squad and armor) ID "theft" is considered an OOC problem and may be handled by staff instead of MPs. An exception would be in emergencies, such as a player yanking the ID from a dead comrade in order to escape imminent danger of a visible threat.
And with those in your mind how would you deal with that player if the player has the following notes

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Was banned for Eorg By Mod A (Mod) on Jan 29, 2017

Had to be muted from dchat for excessive salt by Mod B (Mod) on Feb 19, 2017

Was reminded to keep be a little less abrasive in game By Mod C (Mod) on Feb 28, 2017

Was warned about using racial slurs in dchat and looc Mod Ad (Mod) on Mar 28, 2017

Was warned about shooting players who FFed them accidently... by Mod D (trialMod) on Jun 13, 2017

Banned for improper escalation. 180 minutes, again about people FFing him, claiming it was on purpose by Admin 3 (Admin) on Jun 16, 2017

No mods online but had to leave this note. Player was found flashing banging marines in middle of combat, leading to the death of 3 people. Cagedone (mentor) on Jun 20, 2017
For response 2, 24 hour ban seems a tad harsh if its a first time kind of issue
For response 5, How would you factor in the age of the notes in the ban ie lets say a player comes in with the name that they were noted for about 2 months ago, how would you deal with them?
For response 7, Jobbans are semi-permanent (Not timed) so how would this affect how you punish said player?
For response 10, that is fine
For response 11, pretty harsh, either a note or a round ban (3 hours) would preferred time (at least in my eyes)
For response 14, that is extremely harsh and we mostly increase ban times in a chart basically 3 hours -----> 1 Day -----> 3 Days -----> 7 Days (This would be likely where you file a perma) for very similar rulebreaks, a few steps can be skipped depending on how severe the incident was. Either in this scenario many mods would either do a 3 day ban or skip it up to a 7 day perma. Also you would always revive people if briefing shooting like this, a revival/heal to all players affected would be a good idea since not healing could easily set back the marines due to a single griefer.
For response 15, I guess this is fine
For response 18, punish him is pretty vague. How would you punish them?
For response 19, I was incorrect about this so your first response was fine, sorry about that.
For response 20, when we deal with players, its generally going to be locked to that single person. As a staff team we have to show team solidarity, so you correct the mod/admin/whoever and they will probably correct themselves to the player.

This is promising so I will shift myself to neutral but I feel you are very quick to the ban hammer. From my experience notes are probably a more likely outcome of a transgression of the rules. I will see if anyone else has anything else they will ask you

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Post by Doktor710 » 11 Jul 2017, 15:06

TheSpoonyCroy wrote:For response 1, " he was protecting himself from "Y" who tried to kill him and steal his ID card then I can't intervene and it's IC situation." If that was the case, Player Y would likely face OOC issues since trying to kill a player for an ID breaks marine rule 1 and 4

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1.  Lethal Force - Do not physically attack any other human without a legitimate, explainable, roleplay reason that could be applied in a similar, real-life scenario. Even if you are justified, you are still susceptible to Marine Law.

4a. Do not take another player's ID card. Because of how IDs work on our server (everything from stopping a turret from killing you, to tracking your squad and armor) ID "theft" is considered an OOC problem and may be handled by staff instead of MPs. An exception would be in emergencies, such as a player yanking the ID from a dead comrade in order to escape imminent danger of a visible threat.
And with those in your mind how would you deal with that player if the player has the following notes

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Was banned for Eorg By Mod A (Mod) on Jan 29, 2017

Had to be muted from dchat for excessive salt by Mod B (Mod) on Feb 19, 2017

Was reminded to keep be a little less abrasive in game By Mod C (Mod) on Feb 28, 2017

Was warned about using racial slurs in dchat and looc Mod Ad (Mod) on Mar 28, 2017

Was warned about shooting players who FFed them accidently... by Mod D (trialMod) on Jun 13, 2017

Banned for improper escalation. 180 minutes, again about people FFing him, claiming it was on purpose by Admin 3 (Admin) on Jun 16, 2017

No mods online but had to leave this note. Player was found flashing banging marines in middle of combat, leading to the death of 3 people. Cagedone (mentor) on Jun 20, 2017
For response 2, 24 hour ban seems a tad harsh if its a first time kind of issue
For response 5, How would you factor in the age of the notes in the ban ie lets say a player comes in with the name that they were noted for about 2 months ago, how would you deal with them?
For response 7, Jobbans are semi-permanent (Not timed) so how would this affect how you punish said player?
For response 10, that is fine
For response 11, pretty harsh, either a note or a round ban (3 hours) would preferred time (at least in my eyes)
For response 14, that is extremely harsh and we mostly increase ban times in a chart basically 3 hours -----> 1 Day -----> 3 Days -----> 7 Days (This would be likely where you file a perma) for very similar rulebreaks, a few steps can be skipped depending on how severe the incident was. Either in this scenario many mods would either do a 3 day ban or skip it up to a 7 day perma. Also you would always revive people if briefing shooting like this, a revival/heal to all players affected would be a good idea since not healing could easily set back the marines due to a single griefer.
For response 15, I guess this is fine
For response 18, punish him is pretty vague. How would you punish them?
For response 19, I was incorrect about this so your first response was fine, sorry about that.
For response 20, when we deal with players, its generally going to be locked to that single person. As a staff team we have to show team solidarity, so you correct the mod/admin/whoever and they will probably correct themselves to the player.

This is promising so I will shift myself to neutral but I feel you are very quick to the ban hammer. From my experience notes are probably a more likely outcome of a transgression of the rules. I will see if anyone else has anything else they will ask you
  • 1.Yeah, I know that stealing IDs is illegal, I just wanted to imagine any self protection reason. If player has such notes I should increase his ban time for recidivism.
  • 2.Okay
  • 5.It doesn't change that he was already banned for that, I don't know how much time should pass between two bans so it won't be recidivism here, but I think he can be banned for that (huh), because he already was warned.
  • 7.Well, I don't know for real, maybe just a note that he should be job and in the next time or 3 hours ban, I would like to see how others would deal with this.
  • 18. same as for 7.
I was staff member at the high-RP server, 1 day bans each kill.
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Post by Karmac » 12 Jul 2017, 18:49

In case you've never looked in the ban appeals section, jobbans can last up to and longer than a week, so just keep in mind if the player really does deserve to lose that role or if they just need a swift banning.

And fair enough you've got prior history in a staff team that judged harshly but you're gonna have to lose that stigma or at least improve on it before I +1 this, the players of this server deserve fair judgement and punishment, even if you hate them.
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by Doktor710 » 13 Jul 2017, 07:37

Karmac wrote:--
Okay, I didn't know that.
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Re: Doktor710 - Moderator Application

Post by Feweh » 13 Jul 2017, 12:41

Accepted.

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