Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

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Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sabactus » 09 Oct 2017, 14:01

Your Byond Key:Sabactus

Your Character Name: Anderson Scott

Accused Byond Key(if known):

Character Name: Luke 'PewPew' Compton, Tornadium Axonium

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 10/9 1200p

What rule(s) were broken: Rule 0.2 and 7

Description of the incident: Was standing next to Ilse Dettweiler when they got arrested, tried to clear the scene, Luke 'PewPew' Compton tased me down, Tornadium Axonium baton'd me several time, I was then brig'd for 20 minutes. All this occurred with no RP before or during and was completely unprovoked. Only after I'd been brig'd was I told that I was in there for interfering with an arrest and resisting arrest. I'll let the logs speak.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

SSGT Ilse Dettweiler says, "Now.."
Luke 'PewPew' Compton has grabbed Ilse Dettweiler passively!
SSGT Ilse Dettweiler asks, "Warrant Officer?"
Ilse Dettweiler is restrained, you cannot push past
Ilse Dettweiler is restrained, you cannot push past
SSGT Ilse Dettweiler asks, "What are my charges?"
Luke 'PewPew' Compton draws the the taser gun, pointing it at the ground.
Luke 'PewPew' Compton fires the taser gun!
Ilse Dettweiler is hit by the taser bolt in the right hand!
Luke 'PewPew' Compton fires the taser gun!
Anderson Scott is hit by the taser bolt in the right arm!
Luke 'PewPew' Compton holsters the the taser gun.
PFC William Clarke [Alpha (Mar)] says, "I had nothing to do with any of this but if it helps being here I guess..."
Tornadium Axonium has grabbed Anderson Scott passively!
PFC Anderson Scott says, "THE FUCK"
Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska talks into the marine command radio headset
LCDR Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska [Almayer (CE)] asks, "REALLY!?"
PFC Anderson Scott says, "WHAT DID I DO!"
Anderson Scott has been prodded in the chest with the stunbaton by Tornadium Axonium!
PFC Anderson Scott screams!
Duncan Wise has been prodded in the chest with the stunbaton by Tornadium Axonium!
PFC Duncan Wise screams!
WO Luke 'PewPew' Compton says, "You are the original accused."
CDR Bill Carson says, "GETOUT"
Tornadium Axonium puts the stunbaton into the M276 pattern military police rig.
CDR Bill Carson says, "Arrest them"
Duncan Wise talks into the marine alpha radio headset
PFC Duncan Wise [Alpha (Mar)] says, "We all get arrested"
Bill Carson points to Duncan Wise
Tornadium Axonium is trying to put a handcuffs on Anderson Scott
PFC Anderson Scott says, "They hell did I do?"
Bill Carson is trying to put a handcuffs on Duncan Wise
Duncan Wise has been prodded in the chest with the stunbaton by Tornadium Axonium!
PFC Duncan Wise screams!
PFC Duncan Wise says, "WHY"
Jon Roxton has been prodded in the chest with the stunbaton by Felix Pritchard!
SSGT Tornadium Axonium says, "Need more cuffs sec"
CPL Jon Roxton says, "Oi."
Duncan Wise has been prodded in the chest with the stunbaton by Tornadium Axonium!
PFC Duncan Wise screams!
Duncan Wise slumps to the ground, too weak to continue fighting.
ADM Dill Carson says, "Son..."
PFC Anderson Scott yells, "I demand to know the charges!"
Tornadium Axonium puts the stunbaton into the M276 pattern military police rig.
CDR Bill Carson says, "Dad I"
CDR Bill Carson says, "This situation"
CPL Jon Roxton says, "Admiral!"
Felix Pritchard has grabbed Jon Roxton passively!
CPL Jon Roxton yells, "Help us!"
CDR Bill Carson says, "Its not my fault"
Tornadium Axonium checks Duncan Wise's pulse.
Dill Carson hugs Bill Carson to make him feel better!
LOOC: Anderson Scott: Start talking or get ahelp'd
Tornadium Axonium puts the handcuffs into the M276 pattern military police rig.
CPL Jon Roxton exclaims, "The MPs are going mad!"
PFC Jake Northey [Almayer (Mar)] says, "MPS TO FIRING RANGE"
CPL Jon Roxton yells, "Alpha is broken!"
CPL Jon Roxton yells, "Noooo!"
PFC Duncan Wise says, "THE CMP IS MUTE"
You are buckled in to the bed by Tornadium Axonium.

How you would punish the accused: Role ban
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Bach » 09 Oct 2017, 14:16

I think I can help shed some light on what happened here I was part of Alpha squad, so where Isle and Anderson. We were all sitting in breifing when some private, I forget who, punched Isle who was the SL of Alpha. Isle punched them back and proceeded to reprimand but a passing MP only saw the log for Isle punching the private and proceeded to try to arrest them. Myself and the rest of alpha were not about to have that so we all surrounded the MP who was trying to arrest Isle right next to our seating. At some point someone threw a punch at the MP and his taser came out, most of alpha was rounded up but it was later cleared up when it was revealed that the MP had been ignoring the Alpha SO's orders telling the MP to not arrest Isle since she was just punching the private who original punched her.

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Tornadium » 09 Oct 2017, 14:53

Don't be a dick,

You know exactly what you were doing. You were constantly shoving against the MPs away from people we were trying to detain.

I detained you because you were constantly pushing the CMP away from the brig doors and trying to free the SL. You were already marked for arrest and were part of the group of Alpha Marines which mobbed me previously where I was beaten, shot at and nearly murdered.

I explained all of this to you later after you cut the logs.

The CMP and other MPs can vouch for this recollection of events, Just because constantly running into and blocking MPs doesn't appear in the logs doesn't mean you can fuck with another player without consequence because "XD no proof".

Edit : To clarify, You were baton'd multiple times for repeatedly trying to interfere in an arrest and for trespassing in the brig when you were told twice before you were touched to stop and leave by the CO. I didn't have cuffs after the second baton so I had to baton you again to keep you down while I grabbed cuffs. Also I didn't have time to talk and give you charges since you were illegally trespassing in the brig and I was dealing with multiple other marines trying to assist you in freeing the SL, you were informed of your charges whenever I got you to your cell.
Bach wrote:
09 Oct 2017, 14:16
I think I can help shed some light on what happened here I was part of Alpha squad, so where Isle and Anderson. We were all sitting in breifing when some private, I forget who, punched Isle who was the SL of Alpha. Isle punched them back and proceeded to reprimand but a passing MP only saw the log for Isle punching the private and proceeded to try to arrest them. Myself and the rest of alpha were not about to have that so we all surrounded the MP who was trying to arrest Isle right next to our seating. At some point someone threw a punch at the MP and his taser came out, most of alpha was rounded up but it was later cleared up when it was revealed that the MP had been ignoring the Alpha SO's orders telling the MP to not arrest Isle since she was just punching the private who original punched her.
The version of events as I understand it as I had come out of cryo after the original attack on the MPs was that a significant amount of Alpha Squad were tagged for arrest for interfering in the aforementioned arrest. I asked twice for confirmation to detain the members of Alpha who had been marked for arrest. I attempted to carry out the arrest, was attacked and shot with lethals and chased down by several members of Alpha. I got away and managed to grab one of them, who then called for his buddies and I was promptly shot and nearly killed (I was ahealed).

I heard no order from an SO to call off the arrests (I personally wasn't told, I didn't hear one given to any other MP either) and the WO and CO+Admiral approved the arrests.

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sir Lordington » 09 Oct 2017, 16:03

Bach, the incident they are talking about is different, whatever the case an SO can't call off an arrest.

Anyway, I believe this is when I actually managed to arrest the Alpha SL. I was dragging them in cuffs to the brig to process them when Anderson Scott stood in front of the Security Hallway door in harm intent, repeatedly pushing me and stopping me from entering the brig. Seeing how he was interfering with the arrest, I tased him down, then I assume Tornadium took over Anderson's arrest while I processed the SL. I fail to see how tasing down someone who is interfering with an arrest is griefing or breaking the roleplay guidelines. If you interfere with an arrest I assure you police are not going to talk it out with you, they'll ground you FAST.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sabactus » 09 Oct 2017, 16:33

Tornadium wrote:
09 Oct 2017, 14:53
Don't be a dick,
Classy.
You know exactly what you were doing. You were constantly shoving against the MPs away from people we were trying to detain.

I detained you because you were constantly pushing the CMP away from the brig doors and trying to free the SL. You were already marked for arrest and were part of the group of Alpha Marines which mobbed me previously where I was beaten, shot at and nearly murdered.
Incorrect. I was not a part of that. I suspect you all marked the entire squad for arrest.

I explained all of this to you later after you cut the logs.
Hello... "Only after I'd been brig'd was I told that I was in there for interfering with an arrest and resisting arrest." That was already established.
The CMP and other MPs can vouch for this recollection of events, Just because constantly running into and blocking MPs doesn't appear in the logs doesn't mean you can fuck with another player without consequence because "XD no proof".

Edit : To clarify, You were baton'd multiple times for repeatedly trying to interfere in an arrest and for trespassing in the brig when you were told twice before you were touched to stop and leave by the CO. I didn't have cuffs after the second baton so I had to baton you again to keep you down while I grabbed cuffs. Also I didn't have time to talk and give you charges since you were illegally trespassing in the brig and I was dealing with multiple other marines trying to assist you in freeing the SL, you were informed of your charges whenever I got you to your cell.
I did no such thing. We were there to show solitary as a squad. I tried to clear away from the brig doors and was getting ping ponged around by other peoples intents. Also, it's really hard to get out the the brig when you are face down, immobile, and being drug around.
The version of events as I understand it as I had come out of cryo after the original attack on the MPs was that a significant amount of Alpha Squad were tagged for arrest for interfering in the aforementioned arrest. I asked twice for confirmation to detain the members of Alpha who had been marked for arrest. I attempted to carry out the arrest, was attacked and shot with lethals and chased down by several members of Alpha. I got away and managed to grab one of them, who then called for his buddies and I was promptly shot and nearly killed (I was ahealed).

I heard no order from an SO to call off the arrests (I personally wasn't told, I didn't hear one given to any other MP either) and the WO and CO+Admiral approved the arrests.
Didn't the Admiral unzip the WO's head over all this? I don't think that speaks towards approval.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Tornadium » 09 Oct 2017, 16:57

Sabactus wrote:
09 Oct 2017, 16:33
Classy.



Incorrect. I was not a part of that. I suspect you all marked the entire squad for arrest.



Hello... "Only after I'd been brig'd was I told that I was in there for interfering with an arrest and resisting arrest." That was already established.



I did no such thing. We were there to show solitary as a squad. I tried to clear away from the brig doors and was getting ping ponged around by other peoples intents. Also, it's really hard to get out the the brig when you are face down, immobile, and being drug around.



Didn't the Admiral unzip the WO's head over all this? I don't think that speaks towards approval.
I literally watched you move TOWARDS the WO multiple times with no one else near to to push you, You interfered multiple times and tried shoving the WO out the brig door when you managed to get inside while he was still trying to grab the SL.

The CO and Admiral authorized the arrests then for some reason later in the round said to release everyone, including the people who tried murdering me. The executions were for disobeying the order, not for any other reason.

Edit : Just for clarification, Isn't this kind of behavior considering ban baiting? Doing things which are untraceable by logs then attempting to get other players banned?

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sabactus » 09 Oct 2017, 17:05

You seem to have a very selective memory and a lively imagination. I'll let the staff deal with you if they see fit to do so. I've already wasted enough time with your nonsense in and out of game. Good day sir.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Tornadium » 09 Oct 2017, 17:06

Sabactus wrote:
09 Oct 2017, 17:05
You seem to have a very selective memory and a lively imagination. I'll let the staff deal with you if they see fit to do so. I've already wasted enough time with your nonsense in and out of game. Good day sir.
Carson, The Warrant Officer and I all saw you pull this bullshit.

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by El Defaultio » 10 Oct 2017, 08:44

I remember hearing of some heavy MP incompetence this round, from staff.

I'll talk to the staff who were in the round and see what they think of it.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Emeraldblood » 10 Oct 2017, 14:40

Ok, here's what the logs say.
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While not my job to judge these, but I wouldn't say Tornadium has any reason, from what I've seen, to be job-banned. You where trespassing in the brig if at nothing else and you went to the brig looking for trouble so this all seems IC to me.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by El Defaultio » 10 Oct 2017, 17:11

The few staff I talked to said IC issue.

Also, what emerald said. But imagine I said it instead.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Tornadium » 10 Oct 2017, 17:42

Thanks for looking into the situation, Appreciate your time.

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sabactus » 10 Oct 2017, 22:11

Emeraldblood wrote:
10 Oct 2017, 14:40
Ok, here's what the logs say.
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While not my job to judge these, but I wouldn't say Tornadium has any reason, from what I've seen, to be job-banned. You where trespassing in the brig if at nothing else and you went to the brig looking for trouble so this all seems IC to me.
We were standing OUTSIDE the brig doors when I was tased. I was then drug inside the brig and stun baton'd several times, cuffed, then strapped to a bed. The last time I had actual control over my character before I was in a cell was when we were standing outside the brigs doors. I never voluntarily entered the brig.

El Defaultio wrote:
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The few staff I talked to said IC issue.

Also, what emerald said. But imagine I said it instead.
In order for something to be an IC issue there has to be IC interaction. Prior to being tased, baton'd, cuffed, and thrown in a cell I had not interacted with Luke, Tornadium, nor any member of the MP. In my opinion my only "crime" was standing next to the SL and wearing red armor as those are the only things that connected me to any IC incident. So, in the absence of an legitimate IC reason to justify their actions both Luke and Tornadium crossed the line.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Tornadium » 10 Oct 2017, 22:56

Sabactus wrote:
10 Oct 2017, 22:11
We were standing OUTSIDE the brig doors when I was tased. I was then drug inside the brig and stun baton'd several times, cuffed, then strapped to a bed. The last time I had actual control over my character before I was in a cell was when we were standing outside the brigs doors. I never voluntarily entered the brig.




In order for something to be an IC issue there has to be IC interaction. Prior to being tased, baton'd, cuffed, and thrown in a cell I had not interacted with Luke, Tornadium, nor any member of the MP. In my opinion my only "crime" was standing next to the SL and wearing red armor as those are the only things that connected me to any IC incident. So, in the absence of an legitimate IC reason to justify their actions both Luke and Tornadium crossed the line.
You were inside the brig, You followed an officer inside and were pushing against the CMP blocking his path into the brig. The CMP tased you so he could get past you and into the brig, You were clearly in your own logs moving into the SL and the CMP and you had declared intent by your own words to go to the brig and cause trouble.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by freemysoul » 11 Oct 2017, 05:14

After speaking with Both the ADMINS and Accused players at the time, plus the logs provided by both you and Emerald I have decided this incident is an IC issue. You attempted to cause trouble and interfere with an arrest. See:

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[11:57:20]SAY: Anderson Scott/Sabactus : I suggest we all go down the the brig. They already want to arrest half the squad.
[11:57:34]SAY: Anderson Scott/Sabactus : Lets see them arrest an entire squad
Resolved and left open for one day for either side to bring evidence that may change this decision.

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sabactus » 12 Oct 2017, 10:00

freemysoul wrote:
11 Oct 2017, 05:14
After speaking with Both the ADMINS and Accused players at the time, plus the logs provided by both you and Emerald I have decided this incident is an IC issue. You attempted to cause trouble and interfere with an arrest. See:

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[11:57:20]SAY: Anderson Scott/Sabactus : I suggest we all go down the the brig. They already want to arrest half the squad.
[11:57:34]SAY: Anderson Scott/Sabactus : Lets see them arrest an entire squad
Resolved and left open for one day for either side to bring evidence that may change this decision.
I don't deny that the intention was to show up with the entire squad to show solidarity and dare them to arrest us all. The quoted statement was made at the DS ramp several minutes prior to the incident. I expected to actually participate in some roleplay. What was not expected was the behavior of the two named players who had not directly interacted with my character before attacking him. I still maintain, and will continue to do so, that this incident occurred outside the brig, that I did not intentionally shove or block anyone (there was a lot of jostling all around since there were about 10 people with mixed intents in a 5x5 square outside the brig), and that I did not enter the brig voluntarily (I was drug inside while still stunned). I was angry because this cluster basically torpedoed my entire round. If I had been part of the mob that attacked the MP or attempt to grab or disarm the MPs arresting the SL it would have been understandable but the fact remains that I didn't participate in the attack and that I did not interfer with the arrest.

I know that nothing official is going to be done about this and really don't care anymore. I just ask that the two named players make an honest evaluation of what happened, understand that their behaviors negatively impacted another player, and show more discretion in the future.
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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Tornadium » 12 Oct 2017, 10:29

Sabactus wrote:
12 Oct 2017, 10:00
I don't deny that the intention was to show up with the entire squad to show solidarity and dare them to arrest us all. The quoted statement was made at the DS ramp several minutes prior to the incident. I expected to actually participate in some roleplay. What was not expected was the behavior of the two named players who had not directly interacted with my character before attacking him. I still maintain, and will continue to do so, that this incident occurred outside the brig, that I did not intentionally shove or block anyone (there was a lot of jostling all around since there were about 10 people with mixed intents in a 5x5 square outside the brig), and that I did not enter the brig voluntarily (I was drug inside while still stunned). I was angry because this cluster basically torpedoed my entire round. If I had been part of the mob that attacked the MP or attempt to grab or disarm the MPs arresting the SL it would have been understandable but the fact remains that I didn't participate in the attack and that I did not interfer with the arrest.

I know that nothing official is going to be done about this and really don't care anymore. I just ask that the two named players make an honest evaluation of what happened, understand that their behaviors negatively impacted another player, and show more discretion in the future.
>Their behaviors negatively impacted another player

While going to the brig with the express intention of dicking around and causing trouble. You poked a beehive and are now upset that you got stung. As witnesses and the evidence say, you were interfering in an arrest, you had trespassed in the brig and you are lying through your teeth.

Had this been a case of you got caught up in the wrong place and we misunderstood the situation I would be apologizing for your round being ruined. As it stands you were dicking about and crying wolf when you got caught.

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Re: Report- Luke 'PewPew' Compton & Tornadium Axonium

Post by Sabactus » 12 Oct 2017, 10:43

Whatever you say.
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