Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

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Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Steelpoint » 09 Nov 2017, 05:56

Your Byond Key: Steelpoint

Your Character Name: Alan Bentway

Accused Byond Key(if known): Arkter

Character Name: Arkter 'Spelunker' Kensdar

Approximate time and date of the incident: Any time the accused is on the server.

What rule(s) were broken
Rule 0.2
Rule 7

Description of the incident: The accused uses a unique character trait that involves their character forcibly having the word 'ta' placed at the end of anything they say. This extended to anything they communicate verbally, on radio and even on typed communications announcements such as the Command Announcement feature.

This character trait, plus the negative playstyle behaviour of the accused (this is only being mentioned for context), has garnered a large backlash from many members of the community, and is a constant source of discussion on the near universal dislike of this characters traits.

I believe the user in question is using this character trait as a form of griefing, displaying a level of low roleplaying, and is violating rule 0.2 in that they have some form of psychological disorder when a Marine is expected to not have such, especially one in a high ranking position, which the accused often plays as. The accused 'ta' statements garner a massive amount of dislike and annoyance from the playerbase, both in game when the accused is issuing orders or communicating, and out of the game in OOC and Discord.

Evidence: Any time the accused communicates.

How you would punish the accused: I would request the user be asked to drop their character trait and to communicate normally.
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Challenger » 09 Nov 2017, 06:02

Example of announcement:

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Example of speech:

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What they say when asked to stop:

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Arkter plays a lot on lowpop with like 40-60 players round when most of the admins are sleeping and only one or two mods are on. They're more than aware of their gimmick being something that most of the server dislikes oocly. They have never roleplayed without this gimmick and usually play XO, CMO, RO, and occasionally a squad role.
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 06:05

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=15365
I would like you to read NGGJamie's comment on this post

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Steelpoint » 09 Nov 2017, 06:09

He said you could continue to use your tick until a final ruling was made.
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by TheMusician321 » 09 Nov 2017, 06:10

I would like to add that at one point, he attempted to arrest me for having a quote unquote fake medical degree, claimed I was masquerading as a doctor and that I was a standard squad marine, he then asked in LOOC if i would let him add a fake record that would confirm all of it, I decided to just play along because I didn't want to deal with this shit, he eventually released me, this all happened at round start.
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Enceri » 09 Nov 2017, 06:11

Arkter wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:05
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=15365
I would like you to read NGGJamie's comment on this post
NGGJamie wrote:
05 Nov 2017, 16:56
4. None of the ships crew at all have any mental issues that would cause them to act crazy or unreasonable
you see, whenever you're confronted about your 'speech impediment' you always have a mental breakdown in character, sometimes even running out of your post, (refer to viewtopic.php?f=63&t=15365 ). honestly, this whole gimmick with the speech impediment from what i've seen gets everyone mad. personally, it annoys me like crazy and it doesn't make me take you seriously as a commander or whatever you are, because of how you do it constantly to a point where EVERYONE dislikes it.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 06:15

I wouldnt exactly call it a 'breakdown' rather a hostility towards the comment. I have never commited something that would be along the lines of suicide/self inflicting wounds per se. Rather just a comment to repulse the original comment about the speech with hostility

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 06:22

TheMusician321 wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:10
I would like to add that at one point, he attempted to arrest me for having a quote unquote fake medical degree, claimed I was masquerading as a doctor and that I was a standard squad marine, he then asked in LOOC if i would let him add a fake record that would confirm all of it, I decided to just play along because I didn't want to deal with this shit, he eventually released me, this all happened at round start.
First off. It wasnt adding a fake record. But rather. A fake 'record' in IC. As in you could see there was a 'record' there in RP. But however. In the real sec record machine. I had not added anything. And this was done mostly for a rp.
If you were uncomfortable with it. Why didnt you ask me to stop at any time?

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by HappytoHelp » 09 Nov 2017, 06:29

I have to say, the way he RP's his "tick" is dreadful and if it were in anyway grounded in reality I would have absolutely no problem with it, but the "its tourettes" thing was pulled out of his ass just recently. When I first saw him he claimed it was part of his "accent" because "the Chinese end their sentances with ta" (i shit you not) and then recently he claims it's tourettes and not an accent, not only this but why would the Marines even recruit someone with tourettes? This all seems like something I'd expect to see on Hippie to bait an attack and not at all something I'd expect to see on CM.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Challenger » 09 Nov 2017, 06:35

There's several things I can add on here relating to the validity of the report.

1. Militaries don't recruit mentally ill people, especially really obvious mental illnesses, especially unmanageable illnesses, especially to high-ranking commissioned posts, especially to combat situations (At least from what googling's giving me). You might not be breaching the specific rp guidelines on illness but you are breaching the rp guidelines in general for Xo.
2. Your tic occurs in every statement. One word, "ta". Ten words, "ta". Multiple sentences, each of them gets "ta'd". Sometimes just "ta" out of nowhere. This is spam. It's incredibly annoying to have to read over and over again, at least ten times as annoying to read as Aoi Bell's accent. And you constantly play communication-based roles like XO, CMO, RO etc which have loud text, and especially as the former everyone is forced to constantly listen to you over announcements, speech, squad speech, briefing, etc., it's really intolerable to a lot of people in an ooc way. People just don't want to play a game where their text box constantly pops up with the "ta" stuff everywhere.
3. Related to that last point, do you just not care? I know XO is a RP role and all, but at this point you know well enough that pretty much everyone is pissed off with the exact same repeated gimmick in the same ultra loud role over and over again. There has to be SOME consideration for other players on this server even when engaging in the wackiest hijinks, yet anytime someone complains to you about this stuff ic or ooc you completely dismiss their concerns for some real top tier, barriers breaking roleplay of just spamming "ta" all the time.
4. I can vouch to enceri's point that your character doesn't deal well with being pushed on their mental ilness at all, which means that the illness DOES cause roundstart problems; I recall even last round where you were my squad's SG and I was the SL, both of us in the FOB very early game, both me and the LT kept repeatedly ordering you to just stop talking over comms so that we wouldn't have to listen to your tic, and you just kept talking back over comms blatantly disobeying orders until an MP could come and arrest you for it. Now, in that specific case it was totally acceptable RP imo given your rank, FOB boredom etc., but it's absolutely the same behaviour I see when you're in higher roles with a higher standard of RP and standard of care.

Finally, to anyone on the fence,

5. Would you be accepting of this character quirk if he said "ree" instead of "ta" at the end of his sentences, with the same reasoning (tourette's tic)?
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 06:43

Challenger wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:35
There's several things I can add on here relating to the validity of the report.

1. Militaries don't recruit mentally ill people, especially really obvious mental illnesses, especially unmanageable illnesses, especially to high-ranking commissioned posts, especially to combat situations (At least from what googling's giving me). You might not be breaching the specific rp guidelines on illness but you are breaching the rp guidelines in general for Xo.
2. Your tic occurs in every statement. One word, "ta". Ten words, "ta". Multiple sentences, each of them gets "ta'd". Sometimes just "ta" out of nowhere. This is spam. It's incredibly annoying to have to read over and over again, at least ten times as annoying to read as Aoi Bell's accent. And you constantly play communication-based roles like XO, CMO, RO etc which have loud text, and especially as the former everyone is forced to constantly listen to you over announcements, speech, squad speech, briefing, etc., it's really intolerable to a lot of people in an ooc way. People just don't want to play a game where their text box constantly pops up with the "ta" stuff everywhere.
3. Related to that last point, do you just not care? I know XO is a RP role and all, but at this point you know well enough that pretty much everyone is pissed off with the exact same repeated gimmick in the same ultra loud role over and over again. There has to be SOME consideration for other players on this server even when engaging in the wackiest hijinks, yet anytime someone complains to you about this stuff ic or ooc you completely dismiss their concerns for some real top tier, barriers breaking roleplay of just spamming "ta" all the time.
4. I can vouch to enceri's point that your character doesn't deal well with being pushed on their mental ilness at all, which means that the illness DOES cause roundstart problems; I recall even last round where you were my squad's SG and I was the SL, both of us in the FOB very early game, both me and the LT kept repeatedly ordering you to just stop talking over comms so that we wouldn't have to listen to your tic, and you just kept talking back over comms blatantly disobeying orders until an MP could come and arrest you for it. Now, in that specific case it was totally acceptable RP imo given your rank, FOB boredom etc., but it's absolutely the same behaviour I see when you're in higher roles with a higher standard of RP and standard of care.

Finally, to anyone on the fence,

5. Would you be accepting of this character quirk if he said "ree" instead of "ta" at the end of his sentences, with the same reasoning (tourette's tic)?
2. I have already told people multiple times that this was meant to be in IC. And i had not intend to annoy anyone in OOC.

3. I had not simply been spamming 'ta' everytime. As i have been adding sentences before the gimmicj

4. How do you expect me to communicate without voicing over comms. And i had not been aggressive till you had started to call me out on my 'tas' which had really ticked my IC over.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Redikal V » 09 Nov 2017, 06:48

I told you that such a way to show the syndrome isnt very like the rest of the players. But you said that this is new "meme" (Ta). On the account of the fact that the commissioners choose the officer "XO" with the Turret's syndrome and appoint to the warship.... meeeh.... In fact, it's there your problem. At least it's strange. Strange RolePlay.
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 06:51

Redikal V wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:48
I told you that such a way to show the syndrome isnt very like the rest of the players. But you said that this is new "meme" (Ta). On the account of the fact that the commissioners choose the officer "XO" with the Turret's syndrome and appoint to the warship.... meeeh.... In fact, it's there your problem. At least it's strange. Strange RolePlay.
I had not recalled in recent memory saying that this is a new 'meme'. I was doing it as a way to add flavour to my character

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by spookydonut » 09 Nov 2017, 06:54

Multiple times when confronted I've seen arkter just breakdown completely and pretend to have some sort of mental episode.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 06:56

Give me one of those instances spookydonut. I have not commited suicide over that matter before. And what you call a breakdown might be a hostile reply to another.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Enceri » 09 Nov 2017, 06:58

Arkter wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:56
Give me one of those instances spookydonut. I have not commited suicide over that matter before. And what you call a breakdown might be a hostile reply to another.
having a mental breakdown doesn't mean you'll commit suicide, it just means you act irrational AND sometimes hostile.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 07:02

Enceri wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:58
having a mental breakdown doesn't mean you'll commit suicide, it just means you act irrational AND sometimes hostile.
And self inflicting wounds so to say. However as XO. I have never injured any marines before during any of these 'episodes'

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by NemoVonFish » 09 Nov 2017, 07:03

I see Arkter doing his "ta" thing frequently and have even bullied him ICly about it, and to call it "griefing" is laughable. If you can't ignore someone saying "ta", then I have no idea how you deal with outright hostile people on this server. I am infinitely more annoyed by people like Yuri that deliberately wet floors in front of doors, or Brendan et al. that seem shocked when they get arrested for breaking the law, and scream for blood.

I wouldn't even call this low RP, considering he has at least given a bit of thought to his character instead of copy-pasting himself in to ColMar.

Never seen him break down, or have a mental episode, or anything like that, even when bullied about his tick. Plenty of people do much worse with less provocation, and nobody cares.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Nanu308 » 09 Nov 2017, 07:04

First of all, it comes off as low RP and it gets really annoying when you hear it repeated over and over again continuously through a round that can last a few hours.
Also, I support the claim that you would not be let into a military rank of such position with a mental disorder like that. It could both clutter comms unnecessarily and it is not "fitting" for an officer in general.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Enceri » 09 Nov 2017, 07:07

NemoVonFish wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 07:03
I see Arkter doing his "ta" thing frequently and have even bullied him ICly about it, and to call it "griefing" is laughable. If you can't ignore someone saying "ta", then I have no idea how you deal with outright hostile people on this server. I am infinitely more annoyed by people like Yuri that deliberately wet floors in front of doors, or Brendan et al. that seem shocked when they get arrested for breaking the law, and scream for blood.

I wouldn't even call this low RP, considering he has at least given a bit of thought to his character instead of copy-pasting himself in to ColMar.

Never seen him break down, or have a mental episode, or anything like that, even when bullied about his tick. Plenty of people do much worse with less provocation, and nobody cares.
you're assuming people don't hate Yuri or such for doing that shit, which some people probably do, but then you look at Arkter, who goes mainly command roles and knowingly does the 'tic' that drives many people to dislike him. i can't take him seriously as a superior when he gets overly aggressive about someone calling him saying ta is annoying.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 07:08

Nanu308 wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 07:04
First of all, it comes off as low RP and it gets really annoying when you hear it repeated over and over again continuously through a round that can last a few hours.
Also, I support the claim that you would not be let into a military rank of such position with a mental disorder like that. It could both clutter comms unnecessarily and it is not "fitting" for an officer in general.
I have had given some thought about the claim you support. And i would like to believe that in the future. Any Millitary Organization will assign ranks to people based on skill and competency. And tourretes is a very minor disability.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 07:09

Enceri wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 07:07
you're assuming people don't hate Yuri or such for doing that shit, which some people probably do, but then you look at Arkter, who goes mainly command roles and knowingly does the 'tic' that drives many people to dislike him. i can't take him seriously as a superior when he gets overly aggressive about someone calling him saying ta is annoying.
I had designed the character in mind with the tic as sort of a con for the character. He was never meant to be intimadting or commanding. But rather as a rather naive personality and would often try to reason out with marines before acting to violence

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by spookydonut » 09 Nov 2017, 07:10

Arkter wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 06:56
Give me one of those instances spookydonut. I have not commited suicide over that matter before. And what you call a breakdown might be a hostile reply to another.
As CMP I've literally seen you been stopped seconds before committing suicide as the XO, and I stuck you in your quarters and the SO took over..
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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by Arkter » 09 Nov 2017, 07:11

spookydonut wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 07:10
As CMP I've literally seen you been stopped seconds before committing suicide.
That was for my RO sheneningangs. Not my verbal tic. When i decided to make a Black Market. And i tried to commit suicide because i thought my Ic's family could deserve better.

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Re: Player Report - Arkter: Low RP/Griefing

Post by spookydonut » 09 Nov 2017, 07:13

Arkter wrote:
09 Nov 2017, 07:11
That was for my RO sheneningangs. Not my verbal tic. When i decided to make a Black Market. And i tried to commit suicide because i thought my Ic's family could deserve better.
That's a second instance of it devolving into suicide attempts then.

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