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Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by yung bruh » 11 Nov 2017, 04:41

Your Byond Key: yung bruh

Your Character Name: Yuri Balkova

Their Byond key: Frozentsbgg

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 1 or late 12 AM PST.

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: Staff Protocols, they did not investigate thoroughly and accused me of things that did not happen. They didn't want to show logs either.

Description of the incident: I was CMP for a low population round where I decided to spice up the roleplay and perhaps do an endurance exam to show the MP's how it feels to be the perp in question when you are handicapped by a non-lethal tool. Each MP on duty participated and took the training, including me. A fellow MP used every non-lethal tool on me. All of them were fine with it, one asked if it was really needed and I told them they could opt out. I was roleplaying this perfectly fine and we all roleplayed everything out. About an hour into the round an MP showed up who joined late and another MP informed them of the training. The MP seemed hesitant and said something along the lines of "3 years in the academy for this shit?" Which I thought was funny because training to be a Police Officer would never be 3 years long. The person in question /CONSENTED/ with the training and even when I asked him to take off his sun glasses to recieve the OC spray he complied. I didn't order him or boss him around or anything. He didn't resist or do anything to avoid it. He stood there and took it perfectly fine. I recieved every single non-lethal at once which left me burned up but my body recovered from itself in literally five minutes. The MP was given each non-lethal one by one not even in a bad way. I had a long conversation with this admin who insisted the man resisted when he never did and refused to show logs to prove it to me.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
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I found this kind of annoying when he/she called the stunbaton a harmbatton, it's a non-lethal used to subdue people, not kill people.

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Here I said "They are made for lethals" I meant made for non-lethals so ignore that.

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This was meant for realistic roleplay purposes. I was trying to add immersion and one person got upset from it. I didn't test on them like if I was having fun like it was my first time playing MP and using the tazer. I've used it plenty of times. This wasn't testing for my fun it was to add to RP. He said I harmed him but we all got harmed and he also consented to it. I wasn't beating some random marine down with a baton.

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Here I explained myself to him, I wasn't griefing, but he says I was.

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Here he say the guy never consented when he did, and then also accuses me of serious rule violations like griefing and breaking MP rules.

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Here I try to explain to him that they consented.

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Here the Moderator doesn't want to show me any logs proving that he didn't consent, which pissed me off.

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Here he say when I /ASKED/ him to take his glasses off, I ordered him. This is false. I did not order him to take them off, I never said "Glasses off!"

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And then here he makes a verdict and warns me for this.

In my opinion he is biased because the MP in question was actually /HIM/ and he didn't inform me of that. He is denying that he consented when he did and tried to flip this thing and denied me logs.

How you would punish the accused: I would like the warning retracted, no punishment to him but I would like his actions corrected. I feel like this wasn't warranted.
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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by frozentsbgg » 11 Nov 2017, 05:02

Hi! Frozen here,

I will admit and with me being at fault here, I dealt with my own Situation myself. I Ahelped it in, and since no other staff were able to reply, I directly went to deal with the situation myself, which was an error on my behalf.
However, I do feel that your actions were incorrect and your justifications invalid, as even if you did get consent (Which in mine/Alex Olaf's case you didn't), "testing" the MP's under your command, by exposing them to non-lethals, and whacking them with a stun baton while on an operation is plainly LowRP. As a Warrant Officer, your a Reasonable Person and an Officer, and shouldn't be testing (and allowing people to test on you), the tools available at your disposal.


[02:48:25]SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : I know the rules, Si.r
[02:48:34]SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : I've gone through the academy.

After He Flashed me
[02:49:34]SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : I love being blinded for no reason

Proceeds to Harm-Batton me
02:50:01]ATTACK: Yung bruh/(Yuri 'Cherno' Balvoka) attacked Frozentsbgg/(Alex Olaf) with stunbaton (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[02:50:01]EMOTE: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : <B>SSGT Alex Olaf</B> screams!
[02:50:01]ATTACK: Yung bruh/(Yuri 'Cherno' Balvoka) stunned Frozentsbgg/(Alex Olaf) with the the stunbaton.

After fearing that the CMP would likely do it to another New-MP to come out of cryo, I conferred with the online mentors (jerkface was AFK), before dealing with the Situation myself.

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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by yung bruh » 11 Nov 2017, 05:07

frozentsbgg wrote:
11 Nov 2017, 05:02
Hi! Frozen here,

I will admit and with me being at fault here, I dealt with my own Situation myself. I Ahelped it in, and since no other staff were able to reply, I directly went to deal with the situation myself, which was an error on my behalf.
However, I do feel that your actions were incorrect and your justifications invalid, as even if you did get consent (Which in mine/Alex Olaf's case you didn't), "testing" the MP's under your command, by exposing them to non-lethals, and whacking them with a stun baton while on an operation is plainly LowRP. As a Warrant Officer, your a Reasonable Person and an Officer, and shouldn't be testing (and allowing people to test on you), the tools available at your disposal.


[02:48:25]SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : I know the rules, Si.r
[02:48:34]SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : I've gone through the academy.

After He Flashed me
[02:49:34]SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : I love being blinded for no reason

Proceeds to Harm-Batton me
02:50:01]ATTACK: Yung bruh/(Yuri 'Cherno' Balvoka) attacked Frozentsbgg/(Alex Olaf) with stunbaton (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[02:50:01]EMOTE: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : <B>SSGT Alex Olaf</B> screams!
[02:50:01]ATTACK: Yung bruh/(Yuri 'Cherno' Balvoka) stunned Frozentsbgg/(Alex Olaf) with the the stunbaton.

After fearing that the CMP would likely do it to another New-MP to come out of cryo, I conferred with the online mentors (jerkface was AFK), before dealing with the Situation myself.
You didn't include the part before which I asked you to participate and asked you, not ordered you to take your glasses off. I don't believe you understood it was just to improve RP and bring real life trainings into an RP scenario. Most PD's have a policy on officer's must endure a sort of tazer deployed onto them or being sprayed with OC or Mace, ecetra. Everybody else as fine and you were the only one who opposed this. In no way was this low-rp. You also did not include when I asked you "Least to greatest" and other dialogue we engaged in. You are holding out on the logs that also aimed towards you. If anybody is at fault it would be both of us, only in your case though because those who participated in this roleplay scenario went with it, you being biased did not and proceeded to take out of character staff action against me.
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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by apophis775 » 11 Nov 2017, 05:17

Looking at this, he probably shouldn't have handled the case himself. However it was lowpop staff and sometimes that happens.

I do see in the log, you harmbatoned him, not stunbatoned.
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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by yung bruh » 11 Nov 2017, 05:22

apophis775 wrote:
11 Nov 2017, 05:17
Looking at this, he probably shouldn't have handled the case himself. However it was lowpop staff and sometimes that happens.

I do see in the log, you harmbatoned him, not stunbatoned.
Didn't intend to harmbaton, mistake on my part. The training exercise was not low rp whatsoever I wasn't lol-stunning everybody we all consented. I also got all non-lethals deployed on me from the other MP's. It was to add to roleplay, this happens IRL in training. It was just adding to the roleplay. He didn't want to preserve the RP. Nobody complained except him. No ahelp was made I am pretty sure, the only reason I was punished was him being biased handling it himself.

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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by apophis775 » 11 Nov 2017, 05:44

What you quoted, is more of a "reasoning" why something might not be punished. Not a reason for you to use to avoid punishment.
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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by yung bruh » 11 Nov 2017, 05:51

apophis775 wrote:
11 Nov 2017, 05:44
What you quoted, is more of a "reasoning" why something might not be punished. Not a reason for you to use to avoid punishment.
I mean all i did was host a training exercise and add roleplay. It didn't kill anybody or ruin someone's round. I honestly don't get the reason why this was so bad. Standards shouldn't be held this high for things what were meant to be adding to the roleplay I am not avoiding punishment I just think that this wasn't done In correct process and that this should be overlooked. Don't know if you don't like me or something but I just wanted a resolution from both sides since we are both in fault i understand he is new to the staff team and that's fine I don't want him punished I just want the warn retracted because it makes me look bad when I had no intentions whatsoever of griefing or something bad. I hope you consider that.
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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by apophis775 » 11 Nov 2017, 05:58

Going off of your complaint:
Staff Protocols, they did not investigate thoroughly and accused me of things that did not happen. They didn't want to show logs either.

He violated staff protocol by handling the incident himself, but no one else was available, and if there isn't someone available then staff do have to handle events themselves sometimes. It's a fact of server life in lowpop hours.

However,

1. I see the in the logs that you DID harm-baton, so he didn't accuse you of something that did not happen.
2. We are not bound to give logs to players on request.

As far as the warning, here is the EXACT wording:
"Training" Newly Awakened MP's by testing Non-Lethals on them, regardless of content - Job ban if he doess it again

I don't not like you or anything (I have no idea who you are).

I just don't see anything here out of the ordinary other than him handling the situation himself.

Technically, you could have gotten a job-ban because you were committing Assault which is against Marine Law, regardless of consent.
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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by Feweh » 11 Nov 2017, 11:57

Pretty much as Apop said.

Only issue is he handled his own case, but he had bo choice so thats fine.

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Re: Report Against Frozentsbgg

Post by apophis775 » 14 Nov 2017, 16:50

Marking this as resolved.
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