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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by Ms.Degrasse » 11 May 2016, 18:19

\N wrote: Weapons are just tools for any Yautja worth his mandibles. Don't get hung on up on how many blades something has, or what weapon is better than another weapon. Yautja get their technology from their clan, and most of it is somewhat unique to the clan itself. But if your predator likes to choke their prey to death with their bare hands, that's also acceptable provided there is a reason for it. The only thing you should really keep in mind is that Yautja tech is sacred and should not fall into the hands of other species.
That depends on the context, N.
Possibly even on the clan itself and it's philosophy.

On the AVP movie, the Yautjas gave a combistick to the only survivour (Alexa Woods).
An obvious technological item, but not one that advanced.

While on the comics we have Machiko Noguchi (a human) turned into a blooded member of the Yautja Clan (with armour and everything).

And in combat situations, sometimes a predator leaves technological evidence of it's presence (discarded broken plasma casters, mask, projectiles and combistick in the first movies, that plasma shotgun in the AVP requiem movie...) and apparently they make little to no effort in recovering those.

...My theory is that the only technology they really don't want to leak in any case - specially to non-clan members, hostile yautja clans and even some kinds of prey - is the advanced computer system in their gauntlets and armour.
More because it certainly contains telecommunication resources, spaceship tracking mechanisms, mapping data about where the clan is based and stuff like that than anything else.

(I may be wrong, of course. I's just a theory. Lore never adressed this issue in depth as far as I know.)

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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by forwardslashN » 11 May 2016, 20:24

Ms.Degrasse wrote: That depends on the context, N.
Possibly even on the clan itself and it's philosophy.

On the AVP movie, the Yautjas gave a combistick to the only survivour (Alexa Woods).
An obvious technological item, but not one that advanced.

While on the comics we have Machiko Noguchi (a human) turned into a blooded member of the Yautja Clan (with armour and everything).

And in combat situations, sometimes a predator leaves technological evidence of it's presence (discarded broken plasma casters, mask, projectiles and combistick in the first movies, that plasma shotgun in the AVP requiem movie...) and apparently they make little to no effort in recovering those.

...My theory is that the only technology they really don't want to leak in any case - specially to non-clan members, hostile yautja clans and even some kinds of prey - is the advanced computer system in their gauntlets and armour.
More because it certainly contains telecommunication resources, spaceship tracking mechanisms, mapping data about where the clan is based and stuff like that than anything else.

(I may be wrong, of course. I's just a theory. Lore never adressed this issue in depth as far as I know.)
Possibly. My point was that the weapons themselves aren't too important unless they hold some significance. Most Yautja weapons are pretty basic on the technological level, though a few of them are obviously very advanced.

In Fire and Stone, for example, Ahab crafts some bone daggers after he loses most of his hunting gear and even offers one to the surviving humans if I recall correctly; his Clan brothers offer Elden a Yautja dagger after he kills a predator. In Predator 2, the leader of the Clan offers Harrigan a flintlock pistol as a reward, which is obviously a weapon. As for the things they leave behind, it's not really consistent. Concrete Jungle, the one I mentioned earlier, actually has the main character exiled because he fails to kill himself and his discarded equipment falls into human hands. Scarface literally goes on to fight a bunch of human mobsters to destroy the reverse engineered tech.

I generally agree that the really important stuff is what is contained in their armor and gauntlet. If you take that, you have full access to the predator's hunting ship, so it would make sense to keep that closely guarded. Not so much the other stuff though, barring maybe the plasma caster/rifle.
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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by Ms.Degrasse » 12 May 2016, 00:57

\N wrote:...My point was that the weapons themselves aren't too important unless they hold some significance....
... In Predator 2, the leader of the Clan offers Harrigan a flintlock pistol as a reward, which is obviously a weapon....
Here is one of the most interesting things, N. - I will get into details that may be interesting for some players. ;)

For the Yautjas, weapons and armour are a typical gift for giving to the others.
Usually it's done as part of a rite of passage, as a gift to a honourable and skilled hunter (even if it's actually a foe) or simply as a provision to other clan member/fellow hunter/ally.

And there's an escalation here, where they reward greater feats with better gifts.
But not all of them will see all the weapons the same way.

That flintlock pistol from Predator 2 film?

Was given to that Predator Elder ("GreyBack") by the Captain Raphael Adolini when lethally wounded by gunfire.
(The captain actually had the predator as a unexpected ally when facing a mutiny on part of his crew.)
-> http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Raphael_Adolini_1715

And the predator then gave his retractable sword to Adolini, placing it by his body as a "posthumous gift" (it's a common funeral rite).

The pistol wasn't a trophy for this Yautja, but a gift that he received and certainly interpreted as "another hunter recognizing his combat skills and honour in battle".

And by giving an important item of this sort to Harrigan he in fact recognized him as an extremely honourable and skilled hunter.

Mind that Harrigan was a human that defeated the other predator while unarmoured, using the smartdisk as a melee weapon and was covered in bruises, cuts and still bleeding...
- For the Yautja, themselves are the "best hunters in the universe", so it was really incredible for the elder to watch!

It's really interesting to notice, on the scene, that the predator deeply meditates about Harrigan's feat for a while.
-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqWe0wz0fY
Feel a lot like he's really calculating by himself "What of extreme value I can give to this amazing soft meat hunter?", and to this he concludes that a rare weapon - with a lot of importance to him - is the adequated gift.

In contrast? Some scenes from Aliens versus Predator film.

On this one, Alexa Woods receive a combistick from the Clan Elder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4GYHtq2hY
BUt here it's an almost automatic gesture on his part.
Feels a lot like an "Whoops... I was expecting a recently bloodied Yautja to have it, but it's yours, bloodied human." - Where we see the same act of rewarding a honourable and skilled hunter, but not the same "tension" on his gestures.
(As an elder, he knows much more about humans and xenomorphs, had previous experience with them, certainly witnessed another instance where a human bested a xenomorph and isn't actually that amazed.)

But before that, we have this scene, where the recently blooded yautja ("Scar") makes some weaponry to Alexa, and marks her as blooded, after witnessing her killing the xenomorph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyoBu9DHCF8
And he is visibly unsure about what to do at first. (Is a novice...)
Was even going away, but changes his mind once she manifest herself.
And creates a weapon to a fellow hunter while teaching her about it's properties.
(He kinda decided to take her as his apprentice.)

On this all, it's easy to figure out that different Yautjas will have distinct significances for their weapons, where sometimes an weapon of "alien origin" - even an innefective one - might be more valuable to them than a normal one depending on the facts involving those.
And that the perception on all of this changes a lot between individuals or even clans.

Predators actually are really interesting characters archetypes with a lot of complexity and variety to be explored in roleplay. ^^

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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by Gelonvia » 26 Oct 2016, 21:12

forwardslashN wrote: Did a bit of wiki digging around. They don't appear to be their own species, but a variation of your garden variety Yautja. They're not specifically bad bloods, but their elder had some weird gripes about the code of honor a thousand years ago, so they don't follow it anymore. They're also in a blood feud with another Clan. For reference, Scarface from the Concrete Jungle and his clan were even bigger than the super preds, so I doubt they're all that special.
This entire Guide was redundant after the change out of Alpha, in Alpha we winged it so those were the established rules, and actually Yeah, it is two names just use the wiki Feweh has, it even lists how Predators are evolved from a species of an equivalent of a Sealion on their planet in all shapes way and forms, except with dreadlocks (how creative AvP, everyone scream ARF ARF at Preds, CJ knows what I mean~) Aaaand then theres the fact Females are 1.5x bigger then males at 10-12 feet which is ridiculous sense they also had a whole book on the females from a captured Researchers perspective, aaand.... they got into how 'mating' was done. TLDR its just like humans, not with Mandibles, and they have Breeding Seasons.

**Waits for some random player to take Biology and Mating immaturely**

Anyways, if you want to take over, copypasta and edit to make it fit what you think it should be, feel free, I honestly I don't want to put anymore time into the LOADS OF RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-search because quite frankly, I have better things to do x3. For all it's helped sofar, glad to help you all through the Alpha Pred Period, and happy hunting!

(Yes I do recognize theres still some important stuff here.)
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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by Gelonvia » 26 Oct 2016, 21:15

Ms.Degrasse wrote: Here is one of the most interesting things, N. - I will get into details that may be interesting for some players. ;)

For the Yautjas, weapons and armour are a typical gift for giving to the others.
Usually it's done as part of a rite of passage, as a gift to a honourable and skilled hunter (even if it's actually a foe) or simply as a provision to other clan member/fellow hunter/ally.

And there's an escalation here, where they reward greater feats with better gifts.
But not all of them will see all the weapons the same way.

That flintlock pistol from Predator 2 film?

Was given to that Predator Elder ("GreyBack") by the Captain Raphael Adolini when lethally wounded by gunfire.
(The captain actually had the predator as a unexpected ally when facing a mutiny on part of his crew.)
-> http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Raphael_Adolini_1715

And the predator then gave his retractable sword to Adolini, placing it by his body as a "posthumous gift" (it's a common funeral rite).

The pistol wasn't a trophy for this Yautja, but a gift that he received and certainly interpreted as "another hunter recognizing his combat skills and honour in battle".

And by giving an important item of this sort to Harrigan he in fact recognized him as an extremely honourable and skilled hunter.

Mind that Harrigan was a human that defeated the other predator while unarmoured, using the smartdisk as a melee weapon and was covered in bruises, cuts and still bleeding...
- For the Yautja, themselves are the "best hunters in the universe", so it was really incredible for the elder to watch!

It's really interesting to notice, on the scene, that the predator deeply meditates about Harrigan's feat for a while.
-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqWe0wz0fY
Feel a lot like he's really calculating by himself "What of extreme value I can give to this amazing soft meat hunter?", and to this he concludes that a rare weapon - with a lot of importance to him - is the adequated gift.

In contrast? Some scenes from Aliens versus Predator film.

On this one, Alexa Woods receive a combistick from the Clan Elder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh4GYHtq2hY
BUt here it's an almost automatic gesture on his part.
Feels a lot like an "Whoops... I was expecting a recently bloodied Yautja to have it, but it's yours, bloodied human." - Where we see the same act of rewarding a honourable and skilled hunter, but not the same "tension" on his gestures.
(As an elder, he knows much more about humans and xenomorphs, had previous experience with them, certainly witnessed another instance where a human bested a xenomorph and isn't actually that amazed.)

But before that, we have this scene, where the recently blooded yautja ("Scar") makes some weaponry to Alexa, and marks her as blooded, after witnessing her killing the xenomorph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyoBu9DHCF8
And he is visibly unsure about what to do at first. (Is a novice...)
Was even going away, but changes his mind once she manifest herself.
And creates a weapon to a fellow hunter while teaching her about it's properties.
(He kinda decided to take her as his apprentice.)

On this all, it's easy to figure out that different Yautjas will have distinct significances for their weapons, where sometimes an weapon of "alien origin" - even an innefective one - might be more valuable to them than a normal one depending on the facts involving those.
And that the perception on all of this changes a lot between individuals or even clans.

Predators actually are really interesting characters archetypes with a lot of complexity and variety to be explored in roleplay. ^^

You.... you made me proud, and cry with joy <3 good job. Vara'ules wristblades, (my girl) one was her mothers, the other her fathers, she was only gifted the second which was her fathers after she passed her initial first hunt.
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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by BobaFett07 » 03 Dec 2016, 18:51

Thanks alot for this, I always wanted to be a yatuja

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Post by Duncan McNuggets » 12 May 2017, 01:56

Can I use this topic to ask few questions about Predators? I've been searching on forum guides a lot, as I want to be allowed to play as a Predator one day, but aside from "application guides" and all that I didnt find useful information. I mean, for example, how do Predator start a round? Do they have some sort of base? And their weapons\healing system, I have a lot of little questions, should I figure this out myself if I want to play a Predator one day? Is there actually any useful guide\topic with more information about in-game Yautja and I just cant use search?

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Post by Sailor Dave » 12 May 2017, 10:38

Duncan McNuggets wrote:Can I use this topic to ask few questions about Predators? I've been searching on forum guides a lot, as I want to be allowed to play as a Predator one day, but aside from "application guides" and all that I didnt find useful information. I mean, for example, how do Predator start a round? Do they have some sort of base? And their weapons\healing system, I have a lot of little questions, should I figure this out myself if I want to play a Predator one day? Is there actually any useful guide\topic with more information about in-game Yautja and I just cant use search?
The way predators start the round varies from person to person, but generally they'll set up a lodge somewhere early on, where they store their supplies and trophies. Others might decide to scout early, get an idea for what they'll be dealing with on their Hunt. I think most people see it as bad form to actually kill at the start unless you're being constantly harassed, but I don't believe it's strictly against the rules - though I would avoid it, myself.

If you want more particular advice, feel free to ask. You can also get more help on the discord, people with accepted applications tend to hang out there. I don't have an application myself, but I'd be glad to tell you anything you need to know.

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Post by Duncan McNuggets » 12 May 2017, 11:11

Sailor Dave wrote:The way predators start the round varies from person to person, but generally they'll set up a lodge somewhere early on, where they store their supplies and trophies. Others might decide to scout early, get an idea for what they'll be dealing with on their Hunt. I think most people see it as bad form to actually kill at the start unless you're being constantly harassed, but I don't believe it's strictly against the rules - though I would avoid it, myself.

If you want more particular advice, feel free to ask. You can also get more help on the discord, people with accepted applications tend to hang out there. I don't have an application myself, but I'd be glad to tell you anything you need to know.
Thank you very much! I have no application yet, actually, I'm playing on CM server for only about a week now, but this is finally a useful information :) May I also ask about healing, can Pred heal himself? dos he has some sort of healing device like in AvP games or in a movie?

I just was confused how little info on preds, compare to aliens\CM. Of course probably skilled players, who is whitelisted to be pred, can figure out something themselves but I'd like to research the whole topic and get all the info I can use :)

Also, what role you would advice to play after squad marine, something a little bit more complicated? I feel like I want to try out medic\spec\engi but I'm not sure in my skills and don't want to fuck up my squad

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Post by Sailor Dave » 12 May 2017, 11:26

Duncan McNuggets wrote:Thank you very much! I have no application yet, actually, I'm playing on CM server for only about a week now, but this is finally a useful information :) May I also ask about healing, can Pred heal himself? dos he has some sort of healing device like in AvP games or in a movie?

I just was confused how little info on preds, compare to aliens\CM. Of course probably skilled players, who is whitelisted to be pred, can figure out something themselves but I'd like to research the whole topic and get all the info I can use :)
Predators can heal themselves a couple of different ways. They're effectively human in terms of mechanics, which means they can still be healed conventionally, and have surgery performed on them if they have broken bones. Most of the time, though, they can generate healing crystals from their stored energy, with a lengthy cooldown. The crystals inject them with chems that (I think) instantly heal them for a large portion of their health, from what I've seen.
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Post by Duncan McNuggets » 12 May 2017, 11:31

Thank you Dave, that's nice to know. I would come back with more questions later if that's ok =)

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Post by Sailor Dave » 12 May 2017, 12:00

You're very welcome. Feel free to ask anything. As for what role to play, there's a wide variety of options, with plenty of guides on the wiki and here in the guide section, though not all of them are up to date. There's also the wiki, which has a lot of information on these roles and how to play them: wiki/Squad_Medic, wiki/Squad_Engineer, wiki/Squad_Specialist

Medic is pretty straightforward in theory, but complex in terms of loadout and how to use the medical supplies. People tend to complain a lot about bad medics, but if you're committed to doing well with it, they're very valuable to have around. A couple of guides you might want to use, but feel free to look at the others too: viewtopic.php?f=94&t=12127, viewtopic.php?f=94&t=12732

If you want to play a medic, remember to be very, very careful with how you use your supplies. It's pretty easy to overdose a marine if you're not paying attention and end up using more than you need, or if another medic has already treated them.

For engineers, their responsibility is generally to set up fortifications/defenses, as well as establish and maintain t-comms on some maps, which is what provides radio coverage. it's a bit sparse, but there's an excellent guide on some of the tools available: wiki/Guide_to_Combat_Engineer, as well as several examples of FOB construction: viewtopic.php?f=94&t=11217

Specialists have several paths to choose in how they play, and there's an excellent guide by Steelpoint which goes into great detail on each of the options available, how to use them, and their effectiveness: viewtopic.php?f=94&t=3126

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Post by Duncan McNuggets » 12 May 2017, 12:20

Thank you again man! Actually, I have read those guides on wiki. I think i'd better rephrase - What role, after squad marine, you would recommend, in terms of difficulty? Don't want to dive straight into hard roles you know. Want to climb up higher smooth and painless :)

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Post by Sailor Dave » 12 May 2017, 17:32

Duncan McNuggets wrote:Thank you again man! Actually, I have read those guides on wiki. I think i'd better rephrase - What role, after squad marine, you would recommend, in terms of difficulty? Don't want to dive straight into hard roles you know. Want to climb up higher smooth and painless :)
Engineer would probably be pretty straightforward, if you follow those examples. Generally the engineers will be given their orders during briefing, but it's a safe bet that you'll be setting up tcomms, then building a FOB at LZ1, like in the examples provided in Karmac's FOB thread for Big Red. Engineer requires some map awareness to be used most effectively, but you should be able to familiarize yourself with the general area of/around LZ1 in a short time. Don't forget to check the map now and then, too:
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Other than that, being an engineer is pretty similar to a standard marine. Don't forget, you can ask your squadmates or on the radio for any directions, if you're not sure what to do. Most people are more than happy to direct an engineer somewhere.

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Post by Duncan McNuggets » 12 May 2017, 17:47

Many thanks, you are amazing :) Yes, I'm pretty familiar with Big Red map right now, at least I can say which side should I go to get somewhere. I was giving up on being Engi because I never played him at other SS13 servers and will probably need a few tips on how to engineer stuff, but I think I can figure that out myself.

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Post by jusa297 » 26 May 2017, 07:45

Good guide, it will help me a lot in 2 months when i reaply. I only have one question since the app i'm doing is a colab with a fellow failed applicant. How do predators refer to each other within and outside of the clan. I rekon that they'll refer to fellow clan members as "brothers" and "sisters", but i just want to make sure. But outside of the clan? Do they have an equivalent to sir and miss? How do they refer to someone they don't know? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Predator Application Guide/Tips (10/16/15 Update)

Post by MrMafioso » 26 May 2017, 16:29

jusa297 wrote:Good guide, it will help me a lot in 2 months when i reaply. I only have one question since the app i'm doing is a colab with a fellow failed applicant. How do predators refer to each other within and outside of the clan. I rekon that they'll refer to fellow clan members as "brothers" and "sisters", but i just want to make sure. But outside of the clan? Do they have an equivalent to sir and miss? How do they refer to someone they don't know? Thanks in advance.
Though this is completely useless on helping you with that question I wanted to say that, that's actually a really good question and to be fair I too want to know the answer to it!
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Post by jusa297 » 08 Jun 2017, 12:40

Hi, it seems you put Unblooded and Young Bloods in the same space. While doing research i found that Young Bloods have already completed their training regime and now are ready to hunt a serpent, while Unblooded seem to be preds that either didn't completed the training or that aren't good enough to become Young Bloods because they aren't good enough, or have not yet completed their training. As seen here, Unbloodeds are denied their acid resisting weaponry and can't challange other predators to duels: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Un-Blooded

Young Bloods also get more equipment than the Unblooded http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Young_Blood


I don't know if it was a mistake, but this wiki is the one you gave, so i just think it could be updated if you check it :D
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Post by Mark Wilson » 04 Aug 2017, 02:11

this is proving pretty heldful as I write our my pred app
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Post by DerFlammenwerfer » 30 Aug 2017, 21:45

Gelonvia wrote:there's a fabled "Yautja Scimitar" which is a wristblade with one massive blade about 2-3 feet long like a giant sword, something used by Super Yautja's like "Celtic" from AvP and can slice a damn alien in half although terribly harms you (HIGHLY SUGGEST NOT HAVING YOUR PREDATOR WITH IT THOUGH! Only if you EARN it and then get Highermin Permission after Observation should you ever RP having one, Hell only Apophis and SAS should even have one cause they are the 2 most Robust Yautja's currently at this time.)
I'll point out a few observations here as someone who has seen the AVP movie.

1. Celtic was not a Super Yautja/Super Predator. He was a normal Young Blood along with Scar and Chopper sent to Earth to be Bloodied.

2. Celtic did not use a Scimitar. That was Chopper, and he actually had two of them as well as his dagger and a shuriken.

3. While I agree that the Scimitar is a weapon worthy of respect because of its situational and high-risk, high-reward nature and is not to be given to pups with not a single kill to their name, Yautja lore does little to suggest that these weapons are rare enough to warrant admin permission to even RP having them. At the most, they could be an uncommon choice due to being bulky enough to affect the bearer even when retracted. An off-meta pick for Yautja who rely on their strength more than their speed and agility on the hunt. Apophis and SAS I'm sure have other means of displaying their prowess than a weapon afforded even to the Young Bloods.

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Post by Eroszabi » 31 Aug 2017, 10:01

Only thing i hate is that i have to wait a month to try and be a pred, but atleast this gives me plenty of time to work on the application and the story so its a plus i guess

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Post by Dolth » 01 Sep 2017, 08:07

You guys forgot to talk about the cool kid club.

But other than that, goodie.
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Post by Dravis » 27 Dec 2017, 23:18

I applied once and got rejected, thanks to this, I have finally learned my mistakes and what I should do next time if I might want to apply again as pres.

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